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In response to "Does the president think he released the transcript of a different call? Is anyone going to tell him? -- (edited)" by Super Daddy Princess

They are banking on the idea that they've slowly moved the bar to "every element has to be on tape, with absolute certainty of unambiguous meaning" to

Posted by pmb (aka pmb) Sep 25 '19, 08:20

constitute evidence of a crime. He's arguing that he is concerned about corruption (side note: Ha!). That he doesn't explicitly offer a quid pro quo, etc. So he'll argue that the evidence supports him. He's had an uncanny ability to gaslight America and he's counting on just continuing to do that.

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Given that it is unlikely impeachment goes to the final stage in the Senate to out him, what is the victory criteria here? -- nm - oblique Sep 25, 08:21 46
- I mean removal from office is my Kickstarter stretch goal but I've never had any real illusions it would happen with this Senate. -- nm - Reagen Sep 25, 08:25 43
  - I thought he meant victory for Trump. For victory for democrats, yes, it would be some idea that it would look so bad for republicans that they'd - pmb Sep 25, 08:27 42
    - I have an inkling of an idea that McConnell bails on Trump if it seems likely to cost the GOP the Senate in 2020. - Super Daddy Princess Sep 25, 08:34 21
      - I'm still betting he thinks the appearance of transparency will be enough to allow them to continue to gaslight. -- nm - pmb Sep 25, 08:35 20
        
        I think it will. I don't think this transcript moves the needle at all. -- nm - Inigo Sep 25, 08:37 19
        
        To me it’s concrete definitive proof of something, which is different than rank speculation - JackDawson Sep 25, 08:42 18
        
        I don't believe most people will see this as concrete proof he did something illegal. - Inigo Sep 25, 08:55 5
        
        your last line: and also the sitting party lost the presidency -- nm - decline Sep 25, 09:03 3
        
        Well, that was mainly cause Gore was a moron. - Will Hunting Sep 25, 09:07 2
        
        Gore was a bore -- nm - zeitgeist Sep 25, 13:41
        
        heh -- nm - multiverse of mudness Sep 25, 09:08
        
        You certainly do not have to convince me, who has never supported impeachment politically, that it is a good idea politically - JackDawson Sep 25, 08:59
        
        Exactly. These proceedings will be about something concrete that Trump did, vs Mueller Report. -- nm - Spawn Sep 25, 08:44 11
        
        Mueller Report has tons of concrete stuff -- nm - multiverse of mudness Sep 25, 08:53 10
        
        concrete, like the shoes the whistleblower will soon be wearing... -- nm - Beaker Sep 25, 09:01 1
        
        [snork] -- nm - multiverse of mudness Sep 25, 09:02
        
        Then concrete stuff that can be summed up in one simple sentence! -- nm - Spawn Sep 25, 09:00 1
        
        yeah -- nm - multiverse of mudness Sep 25, 09:06
        
        The distinction I’m drawing is between seeing the actual picture of the body and a report describing the picture - JackDawson Sep 25, 08:56 3
        
        I am someone that thinks *everything* moves "the needle" because said needle is at the midpoint of the space between the camps and .. - multiverse of mudness Sep 25, 09:02 2
        
        Ok, I think I missed your point about the Muller report then, sorry -- nm - JackDawson Sep 25, 09:03 1
        
        just sayin' -- nm - multiverse of mudness Sep 25, 09:05
        
        But the Mueller Report is a long-ass document that even members of Congress haven’t read about things that happened years ago. This is LIVE! -- nm - Qale Sep 25, 08:54
        
        Yes, the Mueller Report is a tipping point in *any* normal situation. -- nm - David Sep 25, 08:53
    - I think you’re setting the bar too high. This is the kind of stuff that is very damaging potentially for an election - JackDawson Sep 25, 08:30 19
      - At a minimum, he certainly seems terrified of Biden. -- nm - David Sep 25, 08:45 1
        
        Yup. Weak. -- nm - JackDawson Sep 25, 09:01
      - No, I agree with that. My IM was more my realistic expectation. Removal is pie in the sky. -- nm - pmb Sep 25, 08:34 6
        
        Show the people more actual instances of how corruption and abuse of power works and I’m confident enough will throw him out in 2020 - JackDawson Sep 25, 08:37 5
        
        Sure, but I'm sorry, I do not think it is unfair to be skeptical of information provided by this white house. They have shown every willingness to - pmb Sep 25, 08:41 4
        
        Absolutely, but just know that that skepticism does not translate - JackDawson Sep 25, 08:44 1
        
        I don't disagree with that. -- nm - pmb Sep 25, 08:46
        
        Of course. But the, sanitized, condensed version they think makes them look good is damning by itself. -- nm - Reagen Sep 25, 08:43 1
        
        Understood. Still makes you wonder if there's even more. -- nm - pmb Sep 25, 08:44
      - Do you think impeachment in the House = actual corruption or actual criminal activity in the minds of most people? - oblique Sep 25, 08:33 7
        
        I think Clinton is extremely lucky that his impeachment happened twenty years ago. Today, Bush beats Gore in the popular vote following Clinton. - Name Withheld By Request Sep 25, 08:38 6
        
        Well, now the sexual harassment aspect of Clinton's issues would have gotten a lot more light. - Inigo Sep 25, 08:40 5
        
        ... like Trump's? -- nm - Spawn Sep 25, 08:42
        
        Really, you think so? I mean, how many women have accused Trump? How many people has he paid off? And it doesn't even blip. -- nm - Chamberlain Sep 25, 08:42 3
        
        *ding*... but actually, as a D, yes. -- nm* - Spawn Sep 25, 08:42 2
        
        Yes, that's the difference. -- nm - Inigo Sep 25, 08:46 1
        
        Yeah, I forgot about the high ground aspect. - Spawn Sep 25, 08:49
      - This is exactly where I am. I have no delusions that he'll be removed from office. I want enough damage to cost him 2020. nm - Chamberlain Sep 25, 08:32 1
        
        I think Pelosi was counting on him already being fucked in 2020. He's losing that election if it's held today *absent this* - Will Hunting Sep 25, 08:46
- Acquitted by the Senate. "Total exoneration". -- nm - pmb Sep 25, 08:23 1
  - and all 53 GOP senators will burn in hell! -- nm - multiverse of mudness Sep 25, 08:24

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