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In response to "Given that it is unlikely impeachment goes to the final stage in the Senate to out him, what is the victory criteria here? -- nm" by oblique

I mean removal from office is my Kickstarter stretch goal but I've never had any real illusions it would happen with this Senate. -- nm

Posted by Reagen Sep 25 '19, 08:25

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I thought he meant victory for Trump. For victory for democrats, yes, it would be some idea that it would look so bad for republicans that they'd - pmb Sep 25, 08:27 42
- I have an inkling of an idea that McConnell bails on Trump if it seems likely to cost the GOP the Senate in 2020. - Super Daddy Princess Sep 25, 08:34 21
  - I'm still betting he thinks the appearance of transparency will be enough to allow them to continue to gaslight. -- nm - pmb Sep 25, 08:35 20
    - I think it will. I don't think this transcript moves the needle at all. -- nm - Inigo Sep 25, 08:37 19
      - To me it’s concrete definitive proof of something, which is different than rank speculation - JackDawson Sep 25, 08:42 18
        
        I don't believe most people will see this as concrete proof he did something illegal. - Inigo Sep 25, 08:55 5
        
        your last line: and also the sitting party lost the presidency -- nm - decline Sep 25, 09:03 3
        
        Well, that was mainly cause Gore was a moron. - Will Hunting Sep 25, 09:07 2
        
        Gore was a bore -- nm - zeitgeist Sep 25, 13:41
        
        heh -- nm - multiverse of mudness Sep 25, 09:08
        
        You certainly do not have to convince me, who has never supported impeachment politically, that it is a good idea politically - JackDawson Sep 25, 08:59
        
        Exactly. These proceedings will be about something concrete that Trump did, vs Mueller Report. -- nm - Spawn Sep 25, 08:44 11
        
        Mueller Report has tons of concrete stuff -- nm - multiverse of mudness Sep 25, 08:53 10
        
        concrete, like the shoes the whistleblower will soon be wearing... -- nm - Beaker Sep 25, 09:01 1
        
        [snork] -- nm - multiverse of mudness Sep 25, 09:02
        
        Then concrete stuff that can be summed up in one simple sentence! -- nm - Spawn Sep 25, 09:00 1
        
        yeah -- nm - multiverse of mudness Sep 25, 09:06
        
        The distinction I’m drawing is between seeing the actual picture of the body and a report describing the picture - JackDawson Sep 25, 08:56 3
        
        I am someone that thinks *everything* moves "the needle" because said needle is at the midpoint of the space between the camps and .. - multiverse of mudness Sep 25, 09:02 2
        
        Ok, I think I missed your point about the Muller report then, sorry -- nm - JackDawson Sep 25, 09:03 1
        
        just sayin' -- nm - multiverse of mudness Sep 25, 09:05
        
        But the Mueller Report is a long-ass document that even members of Congress haven’t read about things that happened years ago. This is LIVE! -- nm - Qale Sep 25, 08:54
        
        Yes, the Mueller Report is a tipping point in *any* normal situation. -- nm - David Sep 25, 08:53
- I think you’re setting the bar too high. This is the kind of stuff that is very damaging potentially for an election - JackDawson Sep 25, 08:30 19
  - At a minimum, he certainly seems terrified of Biden. -- nm - David Sep 25, 08:45 1
    - Yup. Weak. -- nm - JackDawson Sep 25, 09:01
  - No, I agree with that. My IM was more my realistic expectation. Removal is pie in the sky. -- nm - pmb Sep 25, 08:34 6
    - Show the people more actual instances of how corruption and abuse of power works and I’m confident enough will throw him out in 2020 - JackDawson Sep 25, 08:37 5
      - Sure, but I'm sorry, I do not think it is unfair to be skeptical of information provided by this white house. They have shown every willingness to - pmb Sep 25, 08:41 4
        
        Absolutely, but just know that that skepticism does not translate - JackDawson Sep 25, 08:44 1
        
        I don't disagree with that. -- nm - pmb Sep 25, 08:46
        
        Of course. But the, sanitized, condensed version they think makes them look good is damning by itself. -- nm - Reagen Sep 25, 08:43 1
        
        Understood. Still makes you wonder if there's even more. -- nm - pmb Sep 25, 08:44
  - Do you think impeachment in the House = actual corruption or actual criminal activity in the minds of most people? - oblique Sep 25, 08:33 7
    - I think Clinton is extremely lucky that his impeachment happened twenty years ago. Today, Bush beats Gore in the popular vote following Clinton. - Name Withheld By Request Sep 25, 08:38 6
      - Well, now the sexual harassment aspect of Clinton's issues would have gotten a lot more light. - Inigo Sep 25, 08:40 5
        
        ... like Trump's? -- nm - Spawn Sep 25, 08:42
        
        Really, you think so? I mean, how many women have accused Trump? How many people has he paid off? And it doesn't even blip. -- nm - Chamberlain Sep 25, 08:42 3
        
        *ding*... but actually, as a D, yes. -- nm* - Spawn Sep 25, 08:42 2
        
        Yes, that's the difference. -- nm - Inigo Sep 25, 08:46 1
        
        Yeah, I forgot about the high ground aspect. - Spawn Sep 25, 08:49
  - This is exactly where I am. I have no delusions that he'll be removed from office. I want enough damage to cost him 2020. nm - Chamberlain Sep 25, 08:32 1
    - I think Pelosi was counting on him already being fucked in 2020. He's losing that election if it's held today *absent this* - Will Hunting Sep 25, 08:46

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