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Will we ever self-examine our own flaws, as a result of all this, I wonder? This Bruni piece has a pretty accurate description of the horrendous vile

Posted by JackDawson (aka dawson) Oct 2 '19, 14:15

nature of the current admin. One wonders if Americans will ever sit down and wonder--what is it about our collective culture, our society, our norms, our values, that led to this? We tend to think of "it's their fault," it's not us, but surely we have all contributed to some degree to another to things that happen within our environment? By supporting a system that values fame and money and power? Having a lot of women? I don't know, these are examples--my question is simply, will we have a moment of awakening, on an individual or collective level?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/01/opinion/trump-impeachment-clinton.html (www.nytimes.com)

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We as in general electorate? Not a chance. You'd need the Fortune 500 and billionaires to collectively force congress to change to make a difference. - Max Oct 2, 14:35 4
- (I agree with your IM) -- nm - JackDawson Oct 2, 14:38
- Yeah just we like all citizens. How can we be better as a country that is not so easily as it turns out overtaken by something like this? - JackDawson Oct 2, 14:38 2
  - To some degree this ugliness has always been there, it's just been hidden or kept under wraps. - Reagen Oct 2, 14:43 1
    - I agree with everything you say here. The "not hidden or kept under wraps" aspect of it I would hope would make us hit pause but I'm not really - JackDawson Oct 2, 14:47
Hopefully. Like Reagen I think the part that needs to hasn't. And I don't think they will until they get their asses seriously kicked. But there is - pmb Oct 2, 14:32 20
- See I don't think there is a "part that needs to"--I think it's 99% if not all of us. To different degrees but... - JackDawson Oct 2, 14:37 19
  - I get that to a degree, but I think some have been trying to do that reckoning for a while. And frankly, they overreact at times. - pmb Oct 2, 14:48 15
    - Who is overreacting exactly? I think social media is definitely fueling the culture war and the rotting but that implies that the rot was there to st - JackDawson Oct 2, 14:56 14
      - The rot was there to start. -- nm - . Oct 2, 15:21
      - I think that "woke culture" sometimes overreacts. And yes, there was rot there, but it's been fueled and cultivated by social media. It's expanded - pmb Oct 2, 15:02 12
        
        I still don't get what "woke" culture is. - Amoxy Oct 2, 15:37
        
        Yeah well you'll hear no argument from me there! Will we stop it? And the values that lead to it? I had the most RIDIC gym situation today - JackDawson Oct 2, 15:07 5
        
        *people* are ridiculous. -- nm - Reagen Oct 2, 15:11 4
        
        The ultra woke sensitivity is a huge issue. It came from the parents, the kids are just manifesting it. -- nm - JackDawson Oct 2, 15:16 3
        
        but as you say, the initial "I am the dictator of the gym class!" bit is just as ridiculous - Reagen Oct 2, 15:24 2
        
        Oh my god the dictators of the gym class trying to change the tunes should be shot in the head immediately - JackDawson Oct 2, 15:28 1
        
        some of these things go in cycles - PCU was made in 1994 (on the tail end of that cycle) and some of the jokes in it play verbatim today. -- nm - Reagen Oct 2, 15:36
        
        I'm going to post a TED talk here that ReluctantCynic sent me a few months ago. I don't 100% agree with everything said but it's interesting. -- (link*) - Strongbad, Champ Champ Oct 2, 15:05 4
        
        Thanks. I'll watch later. Gotta run. -- nm - pmb Oct 2, 15:13
        
        I will also add, before watching this, that until we start punishing people for lying, good will never defeat evil instant communication. - Max Oct 2, 15:11 2
        
        It's not a lie if I believe it to be true, Max! -- nm - Strongbad, Champ Champ Oct 2, 15:13 1
        
        Hear me now and believe me later! -- nm - Max Oct 2, 15:13
  - There was an implied "most" in that. -- nm - Reagen Oct 2, 14:39 2
    - I think I understood that from your post, but not from "the part that needs to"--we all need to. -- nm - JackDawson Oct 2, 14:41 1
      - that's where I was putting that "The part that needs to most". -- nm - Reagen Oct 2, 14:43
I feel like a significant portion has, but not the part that needed to. - Reagen Oct 2, 14:20

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