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Is it just me, or does there seem to be surprisingly little coverage (aside from what the TH's might be doing) of the killing of the soldier in Ark?

Posted by Stephen (aka SCeire) Jun 4 '09, 19:16

Basically a domestic terrorist attack on soldiers on US soil and it doesn't even rate a mention (link) on MSNBCs front page, and CNN only has a story about Obama's reaction to it (and did he really only release a statement about it today?)

Seems to me that this would be, and should be a much bigger story.

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To get back to the subject at hand, I assume it's not being really covered since it was a few days ago and it's kind of open/shut. - Qale Jun 4, 19:36
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- It wasn't? - Stephen Jun 4, 19:25 47
  - I wouldn't call it terrorism any more than I'd call the virginia tech shootings terrorism. - mafic Jun 4, 19:30 7
    - I think a better example is the guy that shot and killed the abortion doctor. -- nm - Redmond Jun 4, 19:31 6
      - yeah, and I wouldn't call that guy a terrorist either (though he might strictly fit the definition). -- nm - mafic Jun 4, 19:34 5
        
        really? I totally would, partly because it's a movement. -- nm - loosilu Jun 4, 19:34 4
        
        See I will agree with you here. It instills terror among other abortion providers. The act itself instills terror into a group of people. - Redmond Jun 4, 19:37 3
        
        and encourages others to emulate him. -- nm - loosilu Jun 4, 19:38 2
        
        You don't think the recruiting center shooting encourages others to emulate that guy? -- nm - Stephen Jun 4, 19:41 1
        
        actually, I do. -- nm - loosilu Jun 4, 19:44
  - Charges of terrorism in cases like this can get iffy for me, kinda like hate crimes charges. - ty97 Jun 4, 19:28 37
    - the usual definition includes any kind of political or ideological statement. This one, I'm not sure about. -- nm - loosilu Jun 4, 19:31 3
      - That's the problem: defining which statements deserve 'extra special' crime charges. - ty97 Jun 4, 19:35 2
        
        there's still subjectivity in it even then. first degree, second degree, manslaughter, criminal negligence causing death... -- nm - mafic Jun 4, 19:37 1
        
        true. But those don't take the 'worth' of the victim into account. -- nm - ty97 Jun 4, 19:42
    - The exact same reason I don't like "hate crime" legislation. A crime is a crime. -- nm - Redmond Jun 4, 19:30 32
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        Opinions of 'really awful' and 'really terroristic' can differ greatly. - ty97 Jun 4, 19:36 10
        
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        That's why I said it's a problem *when* you codify. Because then it's not just a question of "Did the defendant commit murder" - ty97 Jun 4, 19:41 8
        
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        I like your optimism on that one, but I'm not so sure. -- nm - ty97 Jun 4, 19:46 6
        
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        I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that only come into it at sentencing? - Reagen Jun 4, 19:55 4
        
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        Would vary by state law, I believe. - ty97 Jun 4, 19:57 2
        
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        Doesn't disallow a state from defining a crime called murder 1 and a separate crime called hate murder, does it? -- nm - ty97 Jun 4, 20:00
        
        I was talking about hate crimes against people of another race, or religion etc. -- nm - Redmond Jun 4, 19:34 11
        
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        taken to extreme, this could become a sliding scale: death for killing a politican, 30 years for banker, 10 years for housewife, 2 months for homeless - ty97 Jun 4, 19:39 9
        
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        No, but people who steal wives face more fear.... -- nm - Stephen Jun 4, 19:48 1
        
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        Specious analogy as firing someone, by itself, isn't a crime. -- nm - ty97 Jun 4, 19:45 4
        
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        See, you and I are not going to agree on the measurement unit of "amount of shock/fear caused to society". -- nm - ty97 Jun 4, 19:52 2
        
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        It is gong to affect which types of gradiations we view as acceptable, however. -- nm - ty97 Jun 4, 19:55
        
        If I destroyed your Ugly Blue Shirt, could I get out of trouble by claiming temporary insanity caused by the shirt? -- nm - Redmond Jun 4, 19:41
      - well no - motivation gets taken into account all the time. -- nm - Reagen Jun 4, 19:31 7
        
        That is fine. I just have a problem if someone kills me, but kills someone of another color and it gets treated more serious. - Redmond Jun 4, 19:33 6
        
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        We will never agree on this. I disagree probably with the majority on this board. - Redmond Jun 4, 19:36 4
        
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        I agree with different penalties for manslaughter, and premeditated, first and second degree differences. - Redmond Jun 4, 19:40 2
        
        then why is terrorism different? -- nm - mafic Jun 4, 19:41 1
        
        Well I never said the penalty should be worse for terrorism. - Redmond Jun 4, 19:46
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- "being held on a state count of capital murder and 16 counts of engaging in a terrorist act" -- (link) - ty97 Jun 4, 19:23 1
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- in that the guy attacked the military for religious and political reasons. I'd still chalk it up to lone crazy. -- nm - mafic Jun 4, 19:23 2
  - sometimes lone crazies are terrorist. - ty97 Jun 4, 19:24 1
    - absolutely. Kaczinsky is one. -- nm - loosilu Jun 4, 19:33
Was it front page news on those sites when it first happened? - ty97 Jun 4, 19:20 2
- I have no idea. - Stephen Jun 4, 19:27 1
  - It was on the major news broadcasts but I think it happened on the same day that French plane went missing. - Redmond Jun 4, 19:28
I hadn't even heard of this 'til now. -- nm - ReluctantCynic Jun 4, 19:19

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