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Posted by Stephen (aka SCeire) Jun 4 '09, 19:25

What would you call it then?

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I wouldn't call it terrorism any more than I'd call the virginia tech shootings terrorism. - mafic Jun 4, 19:30 7
- I think a better example is the guy that shot and killed the abortion doctor. -- nm - Redmond Jun 4, 19:31 6
  - yeah, and I wouldn't call that guy a terrorist either (though he might strictly fit the definition). -- nm - mafic Jun 4, 19:34 5
    - really? I totally would, partly because it's a movement. -- nm - loosilu Jun 4, 19:34 4
      - See I will agree with you here. It instills terror among other abortion providers. The act itself instills terror into a group of people. - Redmond Jun 4, 19:37 3
        
        and encourages others to emulate him. -- nm - loosilu Jun 4, 19:38 2
        
        You don't think the recruiting center shooting encourages others to emulate that guy? -- nm - Stephen Jun 4, 19:41 1
        
        actually, I do. -- nm - loosilu Jun 4, 19:44
Charges of terrorism in cases like this can get iffy for me, kinda like hate crimes charges. - ty97 Jun 4, 19:28 37
- the usual definition includes any kind of political or ideological statement. This one, I'm not sure about. -- nm - loosilu Jun 4, 19:31 3
  - That's the problem: defining which statements deserve 'extra special' crime charges. - ty97 Jun 4, 19:35 2
    - there's still subjectivity in it even then. first degree, second degree, manslaughter, criminal negligence causing death... -- nm - mafic Jun 4, 19:37 1
      - true. But those don't take the 'worth' of the victim into account. -- nm - ty97 Jun 4, 19:42
- The exact same reason I don't like "hate crime" legislation. A crime is a crime. -- nm - Redmond Jun 4, 19:30 32
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    - Opinions of 'really awful' and 'really terroristic' can differ greatly. - ty97 Jun 4, 19:36 10
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        That's why I said it's a problem *when* you codify. Because then it's not just a question of "Did the defendant commit murder" - ty97 Jun 4, 19:41 8
        
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        I like your optimism on that one, but I'm not so sure. -- nm - ty97 Jun 4, 19:46 6
        
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        I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that only come into it at sentencing? - Reagen Jun 4, 19:55 4
        
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        Would vary by state law, I believe. - ty97 Jun 4, 19:57 2
        
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        Doesn't disallow a state from defining a crime called murder 1 and a separate crime called hate murder, does it? -- nm - ty97 Jun 4, 20:00
    - I was talking about hate crimes against people of another race, or religion etc. -- nm - Redmond Jun 4, 19:34 11
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        taken to extreme, this could become a sliding scale: death for killing a politican, 30 years for banker, 10 years for housewife, 2 months for homeless - ty97 Jun 4, 19:39 9
        
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        No, but people who steal wives face more fear.... -- nm - Stephen Jun 4, 19:48 1
        
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        Specious analogy as firing someone, by itself, isn't a crime. -- nm - ty97 Jun 4, 19:45 4
        
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        See, you and I are not going to agree on the measurement unit of "amount of shock/fear caused to society". -- nm - ty97 Jun 4, 19:52 2
        
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        It is gong to affect which types of gradiations we view as acceptable, however. -- nm - ty97 Jun 4, 19:55
        
        If I destroyed your Ugly Blue Shirt, could I get out of trouble by claiming temporary insanity caused by the shirt? -- nm - Redmond Jun 4, 19:41
  - well no - motivation gets taken into account all the time. -- nm - Reagen Jun 4, 19:31 7
    - That is fine. I just have a problem if someone kills me, but kills someone of another color and it gets treated more serious. - Redmond Jun 4, 19:33 6
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        We will never agree on this. I disagree probably with the majority on this board. - Redmond Jun 4, 19:36 4
        
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        I agree with different penalties for manslaughter, and premeditated, first and second degree differences. - Redmond Jun 4, 19:40 2
        
        then why is terrorism different? -- nm - mafic Jun 4, 19:41 1
        
        Well I never said the penalty should be worse for terrorism. - Redmond Jun 4, 19:46
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