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In response to "Charges of terrorism in cases like this can get iffy for me, kinda like hate crimes charges." by ty97

The exact same reason I don't like "hate crime" legislation. A crime is a crime. -- nm

Posted by Redmond (aka Redmond) Jun 4 '09, 19:30

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- Opinions of 'really awful' and 'really terroristic' can differ greatly. - ty97 Jun 4, 19:36 10
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    - That's why I said it's a problem *when* you codify. Because then it's not just a question of "Did the defendant commit murder" - ty97 Jun 4, 19:41 8
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        I like your optimism on that one, but I'm not so sure. -- nm - ty97 Jun 4, 19:46 6
        
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        I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that only come into it at sentencing? - Reagen Jun 4, 19:55 4
        
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        Would vary by state law, I believe. - ty97 Jun 4, 19:57 2
        
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        Doesn't disallow a state from defining a crime called murder 1 and a separate crime called hate murder, does it? -- nm - ty97 Jun 4, 20:00
- I was talking about hate crimes against people of another race, or religion etc. -- nm - Redmond Jun 4, 19:34 11
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    - taken to extreme, this could become a sliding scale: death for killing a politican, 30 years for banker, 10 years for housewife, 2 months for homeless - ty97 Jun 4, 19:39 9
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        No, but people who steal wives face more fear.... -- nm - Stephen Jun 4, 19:48 1
        
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        Specious analogy as firing someone, by itself, isn't a crime. -- nm - ty97 Jun 4, 19:45 4
        
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        See, you and I are not going to agree on the measurement unit of "amount of shock/fear caused to society". -- nm - ty97 Jun 4, 19:52 2
        
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        It is gong to affect which types of gradiations we view as acceptable, however. -- nm - ty97 Jun 4, 19:55
      - If I destroyed your Ugly Blue Shirt, could I get out of trouble by claiming temporary insanity caused by the shirt? -- nm - Redmond Jun 4, 19:41
well no - motivation gets taken into account all the time. -- nm - Reagen Jun 4, 19:31 7
- That is fine. I just have a problem if someone kills me, but kills someone of another color and it gets treated more serious. - Redmond Jun 4, 19:33 6
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    - We will never agree on this. I disagree probably with the majority on this board. - Redmond Jun 4, 19:36 4
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        I agree with different penalties for manslaughter, and premeditated, first and second degree differences. - Redmond Jun 4, 19:40 2
        
        then why is terrorism different? -- nm - mafic Jun 4, 19:41 1
        
        Well I never said the penalty should be worse for terrorism. - Redmond Jun 4, 19:46

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