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They key point from B2 is that, whoever the Dem nominee is, even if it's vanilla Biden, GOP is going to scream SOCIALISM

Posted by ty97 Nov 6 '19, 12:09

(I don't say vanilla as a judgment, but right now, that's all his campaign is, a scoop of plain vanilla ice cream, not even french vanilla.)

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Biden/Warren, Biden/Buttigieg - Jovian Nov 6, 12:43
Yes, but it doesn't land the same way on Biden as Warren. That's why they're attacking him differently. And I think it's less effective. - pmb Nov 6, 12:15 28
- The reason the attacks are more personal with Biden is because his policies are closer to what the GOP prefers. They'll attack his policies, yes, but - TWuG Nov 6, 12:19 19
  - If the GOP successfully runs him as: "just another middling politician," he is doomed. The anger that sent a lot of people to Trump in 2016 is rightf - JackDawson Nov 6, 12:24 18
    - There aren’t many ironies bigger than “I’m angry about rich people and their kids getting things the easy way, so I’m voting for Donald Trump” -- nm - Roger More Nov 6, 12:30 2
      - No doubt these people are not very clever about these things. -- nm - JackDawson Nov 6, 12:34
      - well, yeah -- nm - ty97 Nov 6, 12:32
    - It would be strange for the ones who were motivated to vote Trump last time to think he's solved any of those issues. -- nm - Max Nov 6, 12:28 1
      - He's had an historically strong economy (hiring-wise)....that's all it takes for many. -- nm - Will Hunting Nov 6, 12:32
    - See I still think there are the "never Trump republicans" that would happily sign on for 4 years of as close as they can get to Obama, but will vote - pmb Nov 6, 12:27 12
      - Nope. Never Trumpers will either vote for him or stay home. There is no reason to court them as they still support his policies even if they are -- (edited) - TWuG Nov 6, 12:31 10
        
        That's just not true. Seriously. I know several people who fall into that category. Many of them didn't vote for Trump in 2016. Some don't even - pmb Nov 6, 12:36 9
        
        This is what I'm saying, and if we lose with Warren, those people are to thank/blame. Selfishness -- nm - JackDawson Nov 6, 12:46 2
        
        I mean, ok. But maybe we win with a different candidate. That's what we're discussing here. - pmb Nov 6, 12:50 1
        
        But maybe he’s not the right candidate if he can’t credibly run ok the issues that matter - JackDawson Nov 6, 13:03
        
        Then fuck em. I'll stick with principle over appeasing someone who thinks corruption is better than a higher marginal tax rate. - TWuG Nov 6, 12:44 5
        
        No offense, but that is tunnelvision. Again, I'm not saying she deserves to lose, but winning here is more important than purity of ideology. I - pmb Nov 6, 12:53 4
        
        Your posture could equally be seen as tunnel vision. It is a fact that there are more people in this country that are middle class than are well to do - JackDawson Nov 6, 13:04 2
        
        There's the presumption that the center message is more popular than the progressive message. I think recent election results mostly indicate that - TWuG Nov 6, 13:07 1
        
        Recent elections prove this isn’t true imo -- nm - JackDawson Nov 6, 13:09
        
        I'm not interested in courting ANYONE who could vote for Trump for ANY reason. Fuck the lot of them for being horrible people -- nm - TWuG Nov 6, 12:57
      - *ding* -- nm - mud Nov 6, 12:29
- I do like Warren and she and I align on a lot of things, but I do think she's tacked a bit too far left. - ty97 Nov 6, 12:18 7
  - Honestly I think the people who are motivated by Biden are people who are just tired of all the fighting. He feels safer to them. - pmb Nov 6, 12:20 3
    - perhaps. He does feel like the 'safe' candidate. Not saying that equates (or not) to electability (I have no clue). - ty97 Nov 6, 12:34 2
      - I'd just rather have someone to vote for that hasn't run seemingly innumerable times before -- nm - oblique Nov 6, 12:38 1
        
        And a lot of people felt that way about HRC. How Dems are failing to appreciate this about Biden astounds me. -- nm - JackDawson Nov 6, 12:41
  - I'm glad she's so far left. Because that's your starting point in any negotiation on legislation -- nm - TWuG Nov 6, 12:20
  - What are the things that you (and pmb and anyone else who cares to contribute) see as "being too far left"? -- nm - Roger More Nov 6, 12:19 1
    - I think backing M4A was a mistake, TBH. It won't play well with centrist voters, I don't think. -- nm - ty97 Nov 6, 12:33
The Dems should counter that with a tshirt that adds IS CHEAPER. -- nm - Max Nov 6, 12:14

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