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When the Democrats veer hard left against an unpopular incumbent it ends badly. -- (edited)

Posted by spamlet Feb 11 '20, 09:50

See: 1972, 1984

I don’t count Kerry as veering left in 2004 as I doubt you would as he ran squarely in the center.

The world is too split to truly have a 49-1 wipeout at this point but giving people two impalpable candidates isn’t going to help the democrats win. This election should be a bloodbath for the Democrats if it wasn’t for Trump. No need to help him by nominating from the fringes.

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Ok. Find me a popular incumbent this election. - TWuG Feb 11, 09:53 1
- "it's the democrats' fault who they nominate!" really has to be the worst kind of enabling/justification. -- nm - JackDawson Feb 11, 09:54
This line: "This election should be a bloodbath if it wasn’t for Trump. No need to help him by nominating from the fringes." is a joke, right? - JackDawson Feb 11, 09:52 17
- (I've read this post three times and I don't understand what it is saying) - ty97 Feb 11, 09:55
- I think you may have misinterpreted what I said. - spamlet Feb 11, 09:54 15
  - I'm focused on "helping him by nominating from the fringes" here--the implication is that someone is helping him by nominating the candidate with a ce - JackDawson Feb 11, 09:57 14
    - If you think that everyone that dislikes Trump is going to vote for Bernie that’s simply not true. -- nm - spamlet Feb 11, 10:01 13
      - It’s def not but that’s not my point -- nm - JackDawson Feb 11, 10:33
      - The point, I think, of nominating someone like Bernie would be to acknowledge the reality that the voter pool is not a zero sum game. - znufrii, human scum Feb 11, 10:08
      - My feeling is, if in the face of Trump, someone needs to be motivated by the Dems nominee to vote against Trump, fuck em. They aren't - TWuG Feb 11, 10:06
      - I have severe worries about Bernie's electability but I do think (in highly oversimplified terms) that - ty97 Feb 11, 10:05 9
        
        I'm not convinced he's the best choice, but he has *double digit* positive approval ratings among Americans. -- nm - Reagen Feb 11, 10:29
        
        All Bernie has to do is flip Pennsylvania Michigan Wisconsin -- (edited) - eag Feb 11, 10:10 5
        
        I doubt he can hold Minn given its demographics— it’s not that simple -- nm - JackDawson Feb 11, 10:33
        
        He won the primaries in MI and WI yes, but that's not the same as winning a general. - ty97 Feb 11, 10:14 3
        
        I think just like in 2016 when we underestimated Trumps base - eag Feb 11, 10:20 2
        
        He has an impressive and impassioned base, no question about that. -- nm - ty97 Feb 11, 10:22 1
        
        In a year where you dont have Hillary who was verry polarizing and unlikable and you have more likable choices - eag Feb 11, 10:37
        
        Right. You’re betting on a group that doesn’t historically vote coming out and voting while ignoring a group that historically votes. -- nm - spamlet Feb 11, 10:08 1
        
        I think that oversimplifies it too. -- nm - ty97 Feb 11, 10:10

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