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Amy Klobuchar is dropping out of the presidential race, will fly to Dallas tonight to join Biden and endorse -- nm

Posted by decline (aka Decline) Mar 2 '20, 10:36

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Seriously - the more of these people throwing in with Biden, the more we're electing Trump again. Feeling convinced. nm - Turd Ferguson Mar 2, 11:10 10
- I've been saying, the pro/con here is how many Bernie supports won't vote Biden (X) vs how many people will vote Biden that would not vote Sanders (Y) - ty97 Mar 2, 11:18 9
  - I am one of the Never Bernies. - Will Hunting Mar 2, 11:22 4
    - What if you were in a swing state? -- nm - ty97 Mar 2, 11:24 3
      - I’d pull the lever for Bernie and then put money on heavy GOP gains in 2022. - Will Hunting Mar 2, 11:28 2
        
        I mean, once the candidates are set, there is nothing we can do but decide which we want in the White House next year. - ty97 Mar 2, 11:30 1
        
        Absolutely. I mean for me it was always . . . - pmb Mar 2, 11:44
  - That really is the question and all we have to go on is the past. - Turd Ferguson Mar 2, 11:20 3
    - A) I think it depends on how we wind up with Biden. Bernie supporters will go nuts if he has a meaningful delegate lead but doesn't get the - pmb Mar 2, 11:26
    - I'm not as worried about the supporters of the moderates. I'm more worried about those swing voters. - ty97 Mar 2, 11:23 1
      - trump/third party/no vote... -- nm - amanda Mar 2, 11:24
What's the split now? Which of the two leading candidates now lose more votes than the other to the third place candidate? -- nm - Max Mar 2, 10:57
Jesus. Why does it have to be Bernie or Biden? Warren is the right choice. -- nm - Mop Mar 2, 10:48 6
- She'll be gone soon too. -- nm - Cuzzin Todd Mar 2, 10:56
- Bernie and Biden keep beating her ... I know, it’s a weird situation. -- nm - Will Hunting Mar 2, 10:51
- Warren is still in. It's her popularity that's the problem, not these people dropping out. -- (edited) - Inigo Mar 2, 10:51
- Warren is still in. If her popularity that's the problem, not these people dropping out. -- nm - Inigo Mar 2, 10:51
- I fully agree. It's a real shame. -- nm - Diva Mar 2, 10:50 1
  - It's like a multiple choice test that says, "Pick answer B!" And everyone's still taking A, C, and D. -- nm - David Mar 2, 10:51
I'd just come around to backing her. Dagnabbit -- nm - crash davis Mar 2, 10:38 2
- Thanks for nuthin' crash! Where were you when it would've mattered??? -- nm - Amy Mar 2, 11:02 1
  - I was going to donate a sawbuck. I don't think it would have turned the tide. -- nm* - crash davis Mar 2, 11:04
Buttigieg has apparently had discussions with Biden about an endorsement as well, might expect something on that front today as well. - znufrii, Italian baseball player Mar 2, 10:38 5
- I'm a little surprised they're waiting until after the 6 o'clock news before Super Tuesday. -- nm - Max Mar 2, 11:03 2
  - It’s not six o clock yet... -- nm - znufrii, Italian baseball player Mar 2, 11:07
  - people watch the 6pm news? (Perhaps they are timing it for 6pm news in California) -- nm - ty97 Mar 2, 11:04
- There's a NYT story out there with the 2 of them and Obama on a phone call before Buttigieg dropped out. -- nm - Strongbad Mar 2, 10:55 1
  - Yup -- nm - znufrii, Italian baseball player Mar 2, 11:00
I can't decide how much of this is fear of real change vs. fear that Bernie can't win. -- nm - David Mar 2, 10:38 49
- There's gotta be some levity in a scenario where everyone thinks "there's no chance [Bernie] will win" and then he does (again). -- nm - Max Mar 2, 10:43
- both? how the ratio plays out - I can't tell -- nm - Pippy -with a tin foil hat Mar 2, 10:42
- absolute abject fear that Bernie cant win. -- nm - Jovian Mar 2, 10:41 44
  - Exactly. -- nm - Spawn Mar 2, 10:52
  - That would be strange since he's the dominant one in polls. - David Mar 2, 10:43 42
    - That's why you're down to 2 and he's not really that dominant. He's first among a field that was splintering a moderate vote. The moderate - pmb Mar 2, 11:11 4
      - thank you for saying what I was thinking in a way normal people can understand. -- nm - amanda Mar 2, 11:16 3
        
        ;) This still assumes that Bloomberg does the right thing now. He's still the darling of the never Trump republicans. Biden needs Bloomberg's money - pmb Mar 2, 11:21 2
        
        I am truly hoping that the consolidation of moderates behind Biden causes Bloomberg to majorly underperform tomorrow. Regardless of Sanders/Biden..... - ty97 Mar 2, 11:26 1
        
        Re-reading this I'm not sure I make much sense. I'm saying whether Sanders or Biden is your guy, I want Bloomberg out. -- nm - ty97 Mar 2, 11:28
    - maybe because the adults -- to this point -- have been splitting their votes? now that it's basically a two man race (I love you liz, but sorry) - amanda Mar 2, 11:06
    - except he's underperforming with lower actual numbers than he did in 2016, granted it's only New Hampshire -- (link) - Remlik Mar 2, 10:53 1
      - I was the one who made this point on ST at the time. He's since recovered strongly. -- nm - David Mar 2, 11:00
    - I am caught up from lunch now. -- nm* - Spawn Mar 2, 10:52
    - Electoral massacre. -- nm - Jovian Mar 2, 10:47 1
      - Strange. You're normally so upbeat. -- nm - David Mar 2, 10:48
    - I feel like we talk about this every four years, but I throw general election head-to-head matchup polls to the wind at this early stage -- nm - ty97 Mar 2, 10:46 22
      - RCP has 20 Clinton vs Trump polls in 1Q16 (January to March). The results - ty97 Mar 2, 10:49 10
        
        She won by 2.1% even with the Comey bombshell just before the election. The national polls were right, imo. - Inigo Mar 2, 10:54 4
        
        The national polls near the election were quite accurate, yes, 3.2% average vs 2.1% actual. The January-March polls were NOT predictive of November. -- nm - ty97 Mar 2, 10:57 3
        
        Polls couldn't have predicted what happened with Russia and Comey. You're negating something for things beyond the parameters of the thing. - David Mar 2, 11:00 2
        
        I'm not a 2016 poll basher. At all. I am a basher of relying on any head to head GE polls (2016 or any other year!) this early in the race -- nm - ty97 Mar 2, 11:01 1
        
        I agree with ty. - Strongbad Mar 2, 11:09
        
        I mean, the polls were right. She won. -- nm - David Mar 2, 10:49 4
        
        You're being disingenuous here. You and I both know she won the popular vote. By a few points. NOT by the margins in those polls -- nm - ty97 Mar 2, 10:53 3
        
        I honestly feel I'm not. I'm making an important point that the polls were right despite her having some of the worst unfavorables and black swans eve -- nm - David Mar 2, 10:57
        
        Again, I think that's partly to do with Comey "opening the investigation" again, and her horrible unfavorable numbers. - Inigo Mar 2, 10:56 1
        
        To your IM: A general election campaign will happen between now and November. - ty97 Mar 2, 10:58
      - They're of limited value, but when one candidate consistently outperforms the rest, it matters. -- nm - David Mar 2, 10:48 9
        
        The polls I've seen have Sanders and Biden relatively even (slight edge to Sanders) in head to heads vs Trump right now. There is, I would argue, more - ty97 Mar 2, 10:52 8
        
        I just feel like bernie is more like trump. always right and unwilling to listen to reason. I don't want that again. I don't want biden, but - amanda Mar 2, 10:54 7
        
        My gut says VP has to be a woman (regardless who the candidate is). *DEFINITELY* can't be two white dudes. -- nm - ty97 Mar 2, 11:02 6
        
        I'll be shocked if it isn't Stacy Abrams -- nm - Strongbad Mar 2, 11:06 5
        
        based on the last election, Klobuchar traverses the more important electoral terrain -- nm - crash davis Mar 2, 11:08 4
        
        I think Stacy is a better fit for Bernie. -- nm - Strongbad Mar 2, 11:10 3
        
        I think she isn’t. For her. - Will Hunting Mar 2, 11:20 1
        
        She's spoken publicly about national political intentions for a long time - Strongbad Mar 2, 12:35
        
        I'll agree with that. -- nm - crash davis Mar 2, 11:12
      - yeah, early general election polls break the wind -- nm - crash davis Mar 2, 10:48
    - I think that there are more "never bernies" than "never bidens" -- does that make sense? -- nm - amanda Mar 2, 10:46 2
      - yes. -- nm - Diva Mar 2, 10:51
      - Absolutely. Berniebros do their candidate a huge disservice. -- nm - David Mar 2, 10:47
    - People haven’t learned enough yet. - Will Hunting Mar 2, 10:45 4
      - If the choices are that and tyrannical... -- nm - David Mar 2, 10:46 3
        
        they will pick tyrannical - every time -- nm - Pippy -with a tin foil hat Mar 2, 10:47 2
        
        It's looking likely that we'll find out. -- nm - David Mar 2, 10:49 1
        
        Yes it does. And while I hope Pippy is wrong (love you Pippy!) I fear she may be right. -- nm - ty97 Mar 2, 11:00
- Fear of loss of power -- nm - psilotum Mar 2, 10:40
- yeah. Definitely a mixture, but what the mix is, don't know. -- nm - ty97 Mar 2, 10:39
Their first dance will be so cute! -- nm - Max Mar 2, 10:37
DNC doing their best! -- nm - spamlet Mar 2, 10:37 4
- So disappointing that they’d try their hardest to make sure their nomination actually goes to a Democrat. -- (edited) - znufrii, Italian baseball player Mar 2, 10:39 3
  - No I’m happy they are. I think Sanders will be a disaster. - spamlet Mar 2, 10:43 2
    - Ok. -- nm - znufrii, Italian baseball player Mar 2, 11:01
    - I feel exactly as you do. -- nm - amanda Mar 2, 10:49
future running mate FTW - Jovian Mar 2, 10:36

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