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Everyone wonders what dampens my optimism. It's when democrats have a candidate like Elizabeth Warren and won't vote for her.

Posted by David (aka David) Mar 3 '20, 19:32

Her most realistic negative is like, "Too awesome to be fully appreciated by the yokels voting in 2020."

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Thoughts, probably oversimplified. - znufrii Mar 3, 20:07
She'll make an excellent Cabinet official. Which is where she belongs. - ML Mar 3, 19:54 8
- we couldn't possibly have a more different read on her - Reagen Mar 3, 19:56 7
  - The good news is that my read seems more in tune with the electorate. - ML Mar 3, 20:02 4
    - as others have pointed out, for the most depressing and frustrating of reasons. -- nm - Reagen Mar 3, 20:05 3
      - Because Democratic primary voters are sexist pigs? - ML Mar 3, 20:08 2
        
        They don't have to be pigs to be sexist. -- nm - Beryllium Mar 3, 20:10
        
        Some are, yes. Some are gunshy about Hillary losing and focus that on her gender. -- nm - Reagen Mar 3, 20:10
  - The last word of your IM -- nm - ty97 Mar 3, 19:57 1
    - Heh. Also, that's depressing. -- nm - David Mar 3, 20:00
She ran a poor campaign. She chose to hitch herself to Bernie’s platform. How she thought she could take that lane over him I don’t know. He has a - pmb Mar 3, 19:48 5
- But again, that's an indictment of voters, not here. There was a clear choice this election cycle, and she's gonna finish like fifth. -- nm - David Mar 3, 19:49 4
  - I disagree. She didn’t settle on a message and didn’t convey it well. And I don’t think it’s an indictment of voters to not be sold on her agenda. - pmb Mar 3, 19:54
  - 5th? Are we talking overall or just in Massachusetts? - Will Hunting Mar 3, 19:53 2
    - She is gonna finish 3rd in her HOME state and 5th in the state where she was born - eag Mar 3, 19:55
    - No, it's them. -- nm - David Mar 3, 19:55
The Pocahontas shit stings her. It’s an easy attack that gets to short-cuts. - Will Hunting Mar 3, 19:42 9
- She's someone who legitimately has plans to improve the quality of life for all Americans. Name five candidates in your lifetime who could say that. - David Mar 3, 19:47 3
  - MFA is a huge issue. Her changing course on it in the middle of a crowded primary is just indefensible. What does she stand for? - Will Hunting Mar 3, 19:51
  - It drives me batty. Almost as batty as it drives wiggie. - ty97 Mar 3, 19:48 1
    - Bernie's like 70% of her -- which is still pretty good -- but people want the lesser version. - David Mar 3, 19:51
- She's got those two weaknesses. Bernie has the socialism, which is a stupid attack but that's where America is right now, and Biden has Hunter. -- nm - Beryllium Mar 3, 19:43 4
  - Hunter should be such a non-story given Trump had to gift his son in law clearances to solve the MidEast. Hunter was wrong but he’s the Tiffany of - Will Hunting Mar 3, 19:46
  - Yeah, that Biden baggage could be bad if he gets the nom. -- nm - Bacon Mar 3, 19:44 2
    - Especially when compared to the pristine examples set by Ivanka, Don Jr, and Fake Shemp -- nm - Beryllium Mar 3, 19:48 1
      - Oh I get it, but somehow Trump takes shit he does himself but pastes the other person with it and it sticks more to them. - Bacon Mar 3, 19:50
As an outside observer ... yes. But I do understand the reluctance to go two for two, when there's two hundred years of white guy history. -- nm - Beryllium Mar 3, 19:35 2
- White guys have lost every Presidential race but one.* -- (edited) - David Mar 3, 19:35 1
  - Sure, but try telling THEM that -- nm - Beryllium Mar 3, 19:36
I agree. -- nm - Marlowe Mar 3, 19:34
the typical takedown against great female candidates: "She's boring" "too professorial." - JackDawson Mar 3, 19:33 13
- People think those descriptors apply to Warren? -- nm - Max Mar 3, 19:35 10
  - professorial was more accurate 4 years ago, probably. she's gotten a lot better since she decided to run for president. -- nm - znufrii Mar 3, 19:44 1
    - I don't say it as dig or a negative! (for me at least) -- nm - ty97 Mar 3, 19:47
  - If I saw her talk, knowing nothing about her, and you asked me her profession I'd probably say 'college professor' - ty97 Mar 3, 19:37 3
    - I can agree that she lectures, but Buttigieg sounds more like a professor to me, and she's not Bloomberg boring. -- nm - Max Mar 3, 19:41
    - I would go for boring right now. (NM) - Marlowe Mar 3, 19:39 1
      - Oh I think she's brilliant, I think she explains her ideas well for people to understand. We are unfortunately in a reality TV oriented world - ty97 Mar 3, 19:44
  - My BF told me that about her and I didn't speak to him for a day. -- nm - JackDawson Mar 3, 19:35 2
    - "Welcome to Dumpville. Population: You." -- nm - David Mar 3, 19:36 1
      - Yup. Welcome to "Sleeping on the couchville" -- and when he said he was supporting Bernie?! UGH -- nm - JackDawson Mar 3, 19:52
  - To quote a professor, "Oh my, yes." -- nm - Beryllium Mar 3, 19:35
- "not that one either." -- nm - znufrii Mar 3, 19:34 1
  - We will never achieve our full potential until we can get past the sexism that women and men almost equally peddle -- nm - JackDawson Mar 3, 19:35

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Everyone wonders what dampens my optimism. It's when democrats have a candidate like Elizabeth Warren and won't vote for her.

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