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In response to "I didn't know so many corona cases in NY now. Wow. state by state breakdown" by Bacon

And since they're not testing folks, the numbers of walking infected are probably tenfold or (soon) a hundredfold. -- nm

Posted by Beryllium (aka grayman) Mar 6 '20, 19:07

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Yeah, none of these numbers are near accurate. I expect it's in all 50 states -- nm - ty97 Mar 6, 19:33
The sheer lack of testing is mind boggling in the US. - Andie Mar 6, 19:21 51
- I've been wondering: what good is testing if there's no treatment? -- nm - Max Mar 6, 19:24 18
  - Isolate sick people so they don't get more people sick? -- nm - ty97 Mar 6, 19:34 2
    - But also, don't you get into a scenario of trying to test everyone every day because they could have been infected since their last clean test? -- nm - Max Mar 6, 19:41 1
      - Not really. If they have symptoms and test negative, they have something else. If they worry that you were exposed, you stay isolate and only get test - Andie Mar 6, 19:45
  - Well, the ship has sailed now (literally and figuratively), but the first step of containment is knowing who needs to be contained. - Beryllium Mar 6, 19:26
  - There is treatment. Just no "cure." Plus, you then aren't running around infecting more people. -- nm - Andie Mar 6, 19:25 13
    - There is data collection I guess. But if a 20something presents with low fever and slight cough, I don't think the hospital wants them. - Max Mar 6, 19:32 3
      - Here they are sending those people home to recover and public health keeps tabs on them. But people they were in contact with are notified and tested - Andie Mar 6, 19:34 2
        
        I mean what about all the people showing up to their doctors with no symptoms but scared they've been exposed and demanding to be tested. -- nm - Max Mar 6, 19:49 1
        
        What about them? If they have symptoms, test them. If not, send them and tell them they're fine. -- nm - Andie Mar 6, 19:52
    - The president says we should go to work. -- nm - . Mar 6, 19:30 8
      - Please don't make me defend Donald Trump. I heard that live, and he said people were going to work when they didn't know they were sick. - Bacon Mar 6, 19:33 7
        
        Neither of us has it right... he said people get better by going to work.. - . Mar 6, 19:37 4
        
        Yeah, I wasn't using a quote, that is what he said. He doesn't say go to work when you are sick -- nm - Bacon Mar 6, 19:38 3
        
        The quote makes it sound like they're going to work when they know they're sick. -- nm - . Mar 6, 19:45 1
        
        I could see that interpretation. I heard it as some people don't even know they have it because the symptoms are so mild for some. -- nm - Bacon Mar 6, 19:50
        
        You didn't say that either on ST but that is the claim made on social -- nm - Bacon Mar 6, 19:39
        
        Please don't make me attack you but he was just rambling and you're trying to put actual meaning to his words. - ty97 Mar 6, 19:35 1
        
        Saying he said something he didn't say, gives his critics a chance to say SEE!!! Here is the actual clip and this is what they claim he said. - Bacon Mar 6, 19:36
- It really does seem like that, yes. It'll go down in history books, if any historians are left, as a debacle of the highest order. -- nm - Beryllium Mar 6, 19:22 25
  - History will be able to tell, but the blame here is in China. That is where it needed to be stopped. Once it wasn't stopped there it went everywhere -- nm - Bacon Mar 6, 19:24 24
    - Well, there's an amount of truth to that, yes. But they did contain what they could, and AFAIK their infection rate has bottomed out. - Beryllium Mar 6, 19:27 21
      - We have human rights, the U.S. government can't order the state of Washington to stay home for 14 days. -- nm - Bacon Mar 6, 19:28 20
        
        Like I said, the ship has sailed. But the lack of testing means that the data will be compromised. -- (edited) - Beryllium Mar 6, 19:32 15
        
        Dude, look at the world numbers. It's not the U.S. it's the entire planet. Italy has our healthcare system? South Korea? Come on, the U.S. bashing - Bacon Mar 6, 19:34 14
        
        You do know the US has the highest death rate, anywhere, right now? -- (edited) - Andie Mar 6, 19:39 12
        
        Because we aren't testing enough people? okay -- nm - Bacon Mar 6, 19:42 11
        
        I was commenting on the U.S. being a breeding ground. That was the target of my comment. - Bacon Mar 6, 19:46
        
        Yes, that's how math and statistics work. There are ways to adjust for it instead of using raw numbers, but it's best to have more data. -- nm - Beryllium Mar 6, 19:44 9
        
        So if the U.S. had tested every citizen, the world wouldn't have a pandemic? - Bacon Mar 6, 19:47 8
        
        It isn't hate. It is more incredulity. Letting sick people run around infecting more people, while criticizing China who locked down cities seems a - Andie Mar 6, 19:50 7
        
        BTW on the China front. It's less about me criticizing China and more saying if it was going to be contained that is where it had to be - Bacon Mar 6, 20:01
        
        Not just locked down cities, kept the news of the virus from getting out and allowing it to spread farther as a result. -- nm - . Mar 6, 19:58 2
        
        At first. Yes. -- nm* - Andie Mar 6, 19:59 1
        
        I got it backwards. Not allowing the neww out lead to locking down the cities, which was a little late. -- nm - . Mar 6, 20:04
        
        People are infecting other people not knowing they are sick. My personal example. - Bacon Mar 6, 19:56 2
        
        Of course. Everywhere that happens. But if people who do go for medical treatment are not tested that isn't in anyone's best interest. - Andie Mar 6, 19:59 1
        
        Great question, and here is how our thought process worked on it. - Bacon Mar 6, 20:09
        
        And look how they're handling it. South Korea has drive-through diagnosis stations. -- nm - Beryllium Mar 6, 19:35
        
        The downside of a free society -- nm - Bacon Mar 6, 19:29 3
        
        BTW where the U.S. really fucked up? My parents where in Cambodia, Vietnam, and Thailand for 3 weeks and flew back with zero issues or health worker - Bacon Mar 6, 19:31 2
        
        also this. nm but: -- (link) - b. in a blue bonnet Mar 6, 19:35 1
        
        Ding!! But that Mexico Wall!!!! That will keep the bad hombres out of the country. -- nm - Bacon Mar 6, 19:37
    - China took some pretty intense actions, really. -- nm - Andie Mar 6, 19:26 1
      - They did, and they can because they don't have human rights to worry about...but...they couldn't stop it - Bacon Mar 6, 19:28
- We don't have enough testing kits. -- nm - Bacon Mar 6, 19:22 5
  - That's not the worst part. The worst part is that your entire society is structured so that the poor don't have access to healthcare. - Beryllium Mar 6, 19:24 4
    - Oh well if we go there. We also don't have guaranteed sick time (Oregon does, we get 1 week a year mandated), but yes our medical system is a fucking - Bacon Mar 6, 19:26 3
      - China doesn't have the medical infrastructure to handle a major outbreak. -- nm - . Mar 6, 19:33 2
        
        No country does... -- nm - Bacon Mar 6, 19:35 1
        
        They had to build "hospitals" in weeks. -- nm - . Mar 6, 19:42
I would think in states like Washington 100 or 1000 fold, probably California also -- nm - Bacon Mar 6, 19:18

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