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In response to "And since they're not testing folks, the numbers of walking infected are probably tenfold or (soon) a hundredfold. -- nm" by Beryllium

The sheer lack of testing is mind boggling in the US.

Posted by Andie Mar 6 '20, 19:21

Denial much?

Responses:

I've been wondering: what good is testing if there's no treatment? -- nm - Max Mar 6, 19:24 18
- Isolate sick people so they don't get more people sick? -- nm - ty97 Mar 6, 19:34 2
  - But also, don't you get into a scenario of trying to test everyone every day because they could have been infected since their last clean test? -- nm - Max Mar 6, 19:41 1
    - Not really. If they have symptoms and test negative, they have something else. If they worry that you were exposed, you stay isolate and only get test - Andie Mar 6, 19:45
- Well, the ship has sailed now (literally and figuratively), but the first step of containment is knowing who needs to be contained. - Beryllium Mar 6, 19:26
- There is treatment. Just no "cure." Plus, you then aren't running around infecting more people. -- nm - Andie Mar 6, 19:25 13
  - There is data collection I guess. But if a 20something presents with low fever and slight cough, I don't think the hospital wants them. - Max Mar 6, 19:32 3
    - Here they are sending those people home to recover and public health keeps tabs on them. But people they were in contact with are notified and tested - Andie Mar 6, 19:34 2
      - I mean what about all the people showing up to their doctors with no symptoms but scared they've been exposed and demanding to be tested. -- nm - Max Mar 6, 19:49 1
        
        What about them? If they have symptoms, test them. If not, send them and tell them they're fine. -- nm - Andie Mar 6, 19:52
  - The president says we should go to work. -- nm - . Mar 6, 19:30 8
    - Please don't make me defend Donald Trump. I heard that live, and he said people were going to work when they didn't know they were sick. - Bacon Mar 6, 19:33 7
      - Neither of us has it right... he said people get better by going to work.. - . Mar 6, 19:37 4
        
        Yeah, I wasn't using a quote, that is what he said. He doesn't say go to work when you are sick -- nm - Bacon Mar 6, 19:38 3
        
        The quote makes it sound like they're going to work when they know they're sick. -- nm - . Mar 6, 19:45 1
        
        I could see that interpretation. I heard it as some people don't even know they have it because the symptoms are so mild for some. -- nm - Bacon Mar 6, 19:50
        
        You didn't say that either on ST but that is the claim made on social -- nm - Bacon Mar 6, 19:39
      - Please don't make me attack you but he was just rambling and you're trying to put actual meaning to his words. - ty97 Mar 6, 19:35 1
        
        Saying he said something he didn't say, gives his critics a chance to say SEE!!! Here is the actual clip and this is what they claim he said. - Bacon Mar 6, 19:36
It really does seem like that, yes. It'll go down in history books, if any historians are left, as a debacle of the highest order. -- nm - Beryllium Mar 6, 19:22 25
- History will be able to tell, but the blame here is in China. That is where it needed to be stopped. Once it wasn't stopped there it went everywhere -- nm - Bacon Mar 6, 19:24 24
  - Well, there's an amount of truth to that, yes. But they did contain what they could, and AFAIK their infection rate has bottomed out. - Beryllium Mar 6, 19:27 21
    - We have human rights, the U.S. government can't order the state of Washington to stay home for 14 days. -- nm - Bacon Mar 6, 19:28 20
      - Like I said, the ship has sailed. But the lack of testing means that the data will be compromised. -- (edited) - Beryllium Mar 6, 19:32 15
        
        Dude, look at the world numbers. It's not the U.S. it's the entire planet. Italy has our healthcare system? South Korea? Come on, the U.S. bashing - Bacon Mar 6, 19:34 14
        
        You do know the US has the highest death rate, anywhere, right now? -- (edited) - Andie Mar 6, 19:39 12
        
        Because we aren't testing enough people? okay -- nm - Bacon Mar 6, 19:42 11
        
        I was commenting on the U.S. being a breeding ground. That was the target of my comment. - Bacon Mar 6, 19:46
        
        Yes, that's how math and statistics work. There are ways to adjust for it instead of using raw numbers, but it's best to have more data. -- nm - Beryllium Mar 6, 19:44 9
        
        So if the U.S. had tested every citizen, the world wouldn't have a pandemic? - Bacon Mar 6, 19:47 8
        
        It isn't hate. It is more incredulity. Letting sick people run around infecting more people, while criticizing China who locked down cities seems a - Andie Mar 6, 19:50 7
        
        BTW on the China front. It's less about me criticizing China and more saying if it was going to be contained that is where it had to be - Bacon Mar 6, 20:01
        
        Not just locked down cities, kept the news of the virus from getting out and allowing it to spread farther as a result. -- nm - . Mar 6, 19:58 2
        
        At first. Yes. -- nm* - Andie Mar 6, 19:59 1
        
        I got it backwards. Not allowing the neww out lead to locking down the cities, which was a little late. -- nm - . Mar 6, 20:04
        
        People are infecting other people not knowing they are sick. My personal example. - Bacon Mar 6, 19:56 2
        
        Of course. Everywhere that happens. But if people who do go for medical treatment are not tested that isn't in anyone's best interest. - Andie Mar 6, 19:59 1
        
        Great question, and here is how our thought process worked on it. - Bacon Mar 6, 20:09
        
        And look how they're handling it. South Korea has drive-through diagnosis stations. -- nm - Beryllium Mar 6, 19:35
      - The downside of a free society -- nm - Bacon Mar 6, 19:29 3
        
        BTW where the U.S. really fucked up? My parents where in Cambodia, Vietnam, and Thailand for 3 weeks and flew back with zero issues or health worker - Bacon Mar 6, 19:31 2
        
        also this. nm but: -- (link) - b. in a blue bonnet Mar 6, 19:35 1
        
        Ding!! But that Mexico Wall!!!! That will keep the bad hombres out of the country. -- nm - Bacon Mar 6, 19:37
  - China took some pretty intense actions, really. -- nm - Andie Mar 6, 19:26 1
    - They did, and they can because they don't have human rights to worry about...but...they couldn't stop it - Bacon Mar 6, 19:28
We don't have enough testing kits. -- nm - Bacon Mar 6, 19:22 5
- That's not the worst part. The worst part is that your entire society is structured so that the poor don't have access to healthcare. - Beryllium Mar 6, 19:24 4
  - Oh well if we go there. We also don't have guaranteed sick time (Oregon does, we get 1 week a year mandated), but yes our medical system is a fucking - Bacon Mar 6, 19:26 3
    - China doesn't have the medical infrastructure to handle a major outbreak. -- nm - . Mar 6, 19:33 2
      - No country does... -- nm - Bacon Mar 6, 19:35 1
        
        They had to build "hospitals" in weeks. -- nm - . Mar 6, 19:42

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