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In response to "The sheer lack of testing is mind boggling in the US." by Andie

It really does seem like that, yes. It'll go down in history books, if any historians are left, as a debacle of the highest order. -- nm

Posted by Beryllium (aka grayman) Mar 6 '20, 19:22

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History will be able to tell, but the blame here is in China. That is where it needed to be stopped. Once it wasn't stopped there it went everywhere -- nm - Bacon Mar 6, 19:24 24
- Well, there's an amount of truth to that, yes. But they did contain what they could, and AFAIK their infection rate has bottomed out. - Beryllium Mar 6, 19:27 21
  - We have human rights, the U.S. government can't order the state of Washington to stay home for 14 days. -- nm - Bacon Mar 6, 19:28 20
    - Like I said, the ship has sailed. But the lack of testing means that the data will be compromised. -- (edited) - Beryllium Mar 6, 19:32 15
      - Dude, look at the world numbers. It's not the U.S. it's the entire planet. Italy has our healthcare system? South Korea? Come on, the U.S. bashing - Bacon Mar 6, 19:34 14
        
        You do know the US has the highest death rate, anywhere, right now? -- (edited) - Andie Mar 6, 19:39 12
        
        Because we aren't testing enough people? okay -- nm - Bacon Mar 6, 19:42 11
        
        I was commenting on the U.S. being a breeding ground. That was the target of my comment. - Bacon Mar 6, 19:46
        
        Yes, that's how math and statistics work. There are ways to adjust for it instead of using raw numbers, but it's best to have more data. -- nm - Beryllium Mar 6, 19:44 9
        
        So if the U.S. had tested every citizen, the world wouldn't have a pandemic? - Bacon Mar 6, 19:47 8
        
        It isn't hate. It is more incredulity. Letting sick people run around infecting more people, while criticizing China who locked down cities seems a - Andie Mar 6, 19:50 7
        
        BTW on the China front. It's less about me criticizing China and more saying if it was going to be contained that is where it had to be - Bacon Mar 6, 20:01
        
        Not just locked down cities, kept the news of the virus from getting out and allowing it to spread farther as a result. -- nm - . Mar 6, 19:58 2
        
        At first. Yes. -- nm* - Andie Mar 6, 19:59 1
        
        I got it backwards. Not allowing the neww out lead to locking down the cities, which was a little late. -- nm - . Mar 6, 20:04
        
        People are infecting other people not knowing they are sick. My personal example. - Bacon Mar 6, 19:56 2
        
        Of course. Everywhere that happens. But if people who do go for medical treatment are not tested that isn't in anyone's best interest. - Andie Mar 6, 19:59 1
        
        Great question, and here is how our thought process worked on it. - Bacon Mar 6, 20:09
        
        And look how they're handling it. South Korea has drive-through diagnosis stations. -- nm - Beryllium Mar 6, 19:35
    - The downside of a free society -- nm - Bacon Mar 6, 19:29 3
      - BTW where the U.S. really fucked up? My parents where in Cambodia, Vietnam, and Thailand for 3 weeks and flew back with zero issues or health worker - Bacon Mar 6, 19:31 2
        
        also this. nm but: -- (link) - b. in a blue bonnet Mar 6, 19:35 1
        
        Ding!! But that Mexico Wall!!!! That will keep the bad hombres out of the country. -- nm - Bacon Mar 6, 19:37
- China took some pretty intense actions, really. -- nm - Andie Mar 6, 19:26 1
  - They did, and they can because they don't have human rights to worry about...but...they couldn't stop it - Bacon Mar 6, 19:28

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