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What I'm wondering is why other cities that experienced a 'great white flight' haven't seen similar fates, as industry has moved out of town/off-shore

Posted by ty97 Jun 10 '09, 09:56

And, as an aside, I think a parallel could be drawn between Detroit and Johannesburg. Eerily similar

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I don't know. What I do know is you should send us all blueberry Kit-Kats. - the wrong element, bad guy Jun 10, 10:14
What's up with Johannesburg? -- nm - Mop (235 lbs) Jun 10, 10:11 1
- When apartheid ended, the white all fled the city for (walled off) homes and offices in the suburbs (like Sandton). - ty97 Jun 10, 10:14
"GM can't be allowed to fail, think of all the people that will lose their jobs!" -- nm - Loyola Jun 10, 10:11
uh, they have - just not as large as Detroit. do you have a specific example in mind? - Guy Jun 10, 09:59 20
- Detroit's population has declined 50%. I'm not aware of other major US cities having anything even somewhat similar. -- nm - ty97 Jun 10, 10:01 19
  - A number of northern cities have lost about 25% over the last few decades (Philly, Baltimore, Chicago, etc.) -- nm - Don Homer Jun 10, 10:04 12
    - In fact, St Louis has lost a similar amount as Detroit since the 50s. -- nm - Don Homer Jun 10, 10:05 11
      - Interesting. Have they seen a similar 'abandonment' effect in the city's buildings? - ty97 Jun 10, 10:11
      - Wow, where are all the people going? - Subversive Jun 10, 10:09 9
        
        suburbs, mostly. - ty97 Jun 10, 10:10 4
        
        you had white flight to the suburbs in the 50s, sure, but is really a zero-sum game because people are staying in the area, the businesses that anchor - znufrii Jun 10, 10:14 3
        
        My general impression though is that cities are in much better shape now than they were in the 70s though -- nm - Roger More Jun 10, 10:18 2
        
        There's been a lot of gentrification (pros and cons to that) in many cities and a bit of a 'return' to the city of some of us who grew up in burbs. - ty97 Jun 10, 10:25
        
        it's just a question of how quickly a city adapts. -- nm - znufrii Jun 10, 10:23
        
        Phoenix -- nm - Roger More Jun 10, 10:09 2
        
        not anymore, at least not for the property values anyway. -- nm - znufrii Jun 10, 10:10 1
        
        it was mostly tongue in cheek :) -- nm - Roger More Jun 10, 10:11
        
        Suburbs mostly, along with migration to the south and southwest. -- nm - Don Homer Jun 10, 10:09
  - Buffalo/Rochester 40-50 years ago is probably comparable. -- nm - znufrii Jun 10, 10:02 4
    - so is Pittsburgh. hell, since 2000 Pittsburgh's population has declined even with US population up..nm - x Jun 10, 10:05 3
      - hey! - znufrii Jun 10, 10:10
      - I will be reserved and not scare you back away with heinous signs of affection. -- nm - ty97 Jun 10, 10:09
      - yay! -- nm - Beaker Jun 10, 10:08
  - new orleans? heh -- nm - Beryllium Jun 10, 10:01
In part. because the industries that have moved out of town have been replaced by other industries (health, legal, financial, arts, tourism etc) -- nm - Roger More Jun 10, 09:58 4
- Hollywood coming to Detroit could only mean one thing ... - Beryllium Jun 10, 10:00
- The reverse question then: Why did that fail to occur in Detroit? -- nm - ty97 Jun 10, 10:00 2
  - I don't know, but my guess is lack of investment in these sectors. They put all their eggs in one basket - Roger More Jun 10, 10:08
  - I believe the technical answer is "because who the f*** wants to live in detroit?" :) -- nm - Beryllium Jun 10, 10:00
97, will you make sure I own monsters inc 2? -- nm - crabs love mandy lane Jun 10, 09:56 1
- Well, sure, but I don't think the DVD is going to be out for a while - ty97 Jun 10, 09:59

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What I'm wondering is why other cities that experienced a 'great white flight' haven't seen similar fates, as industry has moved out of town/off-shore

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