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what would it take for a state, or a bunch of states to succeed from the union? we live in unpresidented times and unpresidented action may be require

Posted by zeitgeist Mar 28 '20, 02:29

imagine if Michigan, NY CA WA OR bunch of others announced they were leaving so they could protect their citizens since the feds weren't coming.

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I'm surprised that New York hasn't done so in the last three years. -- nm - secretslacker Mar 28, 07:25 1
- We should give SI to NJ and then NYC should leave NY and form New Amsterdam or something. -- nm - Krusty Mar 28, 07:30
Even if it were legal, what state could afford to compensate the US for the federal lands they'd be taking with them? CA has over 45M acres, and I'm - mara Mar 28, 06:29
but then all those states would have to become presidented. -- nm - Max Mar 28, 06:10
I think most constitutional experts say it can't be done with the existing Constitution, so it would require an amendment. -- nm - mara Mar 28, 05:58 19
- The key is that the seceding state would claim new country status. So, it wouldn't abide by our constitution. - David Mar 28, 08:07 4
  - Once you reject the rule of law, what kind of country do you even have? What would be the point of that new country even writing a constitution? Can - mara Mar 28, 08:24 3
    - It's a fair point but wouldn't that statement apply to most sovereign nations including the United States? -- nm - David Mar 28, 08:26 2
      - Sure. I'm not sure that US has rejected the rule of law so thoroughly that nobody needs to abide by its laws any more, but it's an interesting point. - mara Mar 28, 08:40 1
        
        I'm referencing our abdication from England. - David Mar 28, 09:37
- Yup. Every time Texas or Washington or Northern Cali bring up seceding the experts say it's not possible under our constitution. -- nm* - Krusty Mar 28, 06:19 13
  - Of course, for the state in question, it wouldn't be "our" Constitution any more. I -- nm - Cuzzin Todd Mar 28, 07:31 8
    - Secession isn't accomplished simply by declaring it. That question, at least, has been pretty decisively answered. So it's CA's constitution until the - mara Mar 28, 08:02 2
      - And yet we mark our independence from the Declaration of Independence, not the end of the Revolutionary War. -- nm - Cuzzin Todd Mar 28, 08:07 1
        
        Yes, it's very fanciful. -- nm - mara Mar 28, 08:53
    - Some states tried that once. Once. -- nm - spamlet Mar 28, 07:56 3
      - How'd that turn out? -- nm - Cuzzin Todd Mar 28, 08:07 2
        
        They still think they won so..... -- nm - Will Hunting Mar 28, 08:18
        
        Not too well until air conditioning. -- nm - spamlet Mar 28, 08:17
    - That's "I don't recognize this court because it has a gold fringed flag" level of legal thinking. -- nm - Reagen Mar 28, 07:34
  - The case is “Texas v White” -- (link) - landbeck Mar 28, 06:49 3
    - Thanks! I hope you and your family are doing well during this! -- nm* - Krusty Mar 28, 06:53 2
      - So far, so good. We’ve self-isolated for more than a week. - landbeck Mar 28, 07:00 1
        
        I'm glad you and the family are fine but I'm so very sorry for the loss of your friend's dad. :-( - Krusty Mar 28, 07:03

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