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In response to "what would it take for a state, or a bunch of states to succeed from the union? we live in unpresidented times and unpresidented action may be require" by zeitgeist

I think most constitutional experts say it can't be done with the existing Constitution, so it would require an amendment. -- nm

Posted by mara (aka mara) Mar 28 '20, 05:58

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The key is that the seceding state would claim new country status. So, it wouldn't abide by our constitution. - David Mar 28, 08:07 4
- Once you reject the rule of law, what kind of country do you even have? What would be the point of that new country even writing a constitution? Can - mara Mar 28, 08:24 3
  - It's a fair point but wouldn't that statement apply to most sovereign nations including the United States? -- nm - David Mar 28, 08:26 2
    - Sure. I'm not sure that US has rejected the rule of law so thoroughly that nobody needs to abide by its laws any more, but it's an interesting point. - mara Mar 28, 08:40 1
      - I'm referencing our abdication from England. - David Mar 28, 09:37
Yup. Every time Texas or Washington or Northern Cali bring up seceding the experts say it's not possible under our constitution. -- nm* - Krusty Mar 28, 06:19 13
- Of course, for the state in question, it wouldn't be "our" Constitution any more. I -- nm - Cuzzin Todd Mar 28, 07:31 8
  - Secession isn't accomplished simply by declaring it. That question, at least, has been pretty decisively answered. So it's CA's constitution until the - mara Mar 28, 08:02 2
    - And yet we mark our independence from the Declaration of Independence, not the end of the Revolutionary War. -- nm - Cuzzin Todd Mar 28, 08:07 1
      - Yes, it's very fanciful. -- nm - mara Mar 28, 08:53
  - Some states tried that once. Once. -- nm - spamlet Mar 28, 07:56 3
    - How'd that turn out? -- nm - Cuzzin Todd Mar 28, 08:07 2
      - They still think they won so..... -- nm - Will Hunting Mar 28, 08:18
      - Not too well until air conditioning. -- nm - spamlet Mar 28, 08:17
  - That's "I don't recognize this court because it has a gold fringed flag" level of legal thinking. -- nm - Reagen Mar 28, 07:34
- The case is “Texas v White” -- (link) - landbeck Mar 28, 06:49 3
  - Thanks! I hope you and your family are doing well during this! -- nm* - Krusty Mar 28, 06:53 2
    - So far, so good. We’ve self-isolated for more than a week. - landbeck Mar 28, 07:00 1
      - I'm glad you and the family are fine but I'm so very sorry for the loss of your friend's dad. :-( - Krusty Mar 28, 07:03

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