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In response to "Cool. Thanks, Elon. -- (link)" by Volnelk

Those will be useful for patients who would otherwise need AMBU bags which are manually operated.

Posted by TWuG Apr 1 '20, 20:21

NY's Cuomo was talking about the need for AMBU bags and possibly using Guard troops to operate them 24/7 for some patients.

The Bipap machines are positive pressure ventilators that push air into the lungs. They aren't going to be useful for people seriously ill, but they will free up the larger ventilators for the patients truly in need and allow patients having difficulty breathing to be helped and possibly prevent them from getting worse or suffering greater damage to their lungs.

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I’m sure that’s what he intended. -- nm - Volnelk Apr 1, 20:26 10
- I can guarantee it is. What I'll be interested to know is what type of ventilators Tesla and GM will be building. Something similar - TWuG Apr 1, 20:46 9
  - I 100% agree on the donations aspect. - Volnelk Apr 1, 21:10
  - if that was the plan, in classic Elon style it's half-assed and underthought. CPAP machines likely aerosolise the virus and make transmission more - mafic Apr 1, 21:06 6
    - I've seen a couple articles about how local hospitals are converting cpap machines, anesthesiologist machines, also tube splitting to serve 2/4even 8 -- nm - zeitgeist Apr 1, 21:15 5
      - This. Also, he didn't just go half-assed. He consulted to see what was needed. -- (edited) - TWuG Apr 1, 21:23 4
        
        better than nothing in a pinch, but the American Society of Anesthesiologists issued guidance more than a month ago that they shouldn't be used. - mafic Apr 1, 21:34 3
        
        That was a month ago. Other medical orgs (overseas, mostly) made bipap (different from cpap) work. - TWuG Apr 1, 21:38 2
        
        it's for both cpap and bipap, and still stands now. -- nm - mafic Apr 1, 21:40 1
        
        I would expect the advisory to change in the face of the escalating crisis. If it doesn't change, a lot of people will die who don't need to. -- nm - TWuG Apr 1, 21:55
  - And with this conversion, bipap machines could be converted to invasive ventilators rapidly. -- (link) - TWuG Apr 1, 20:53

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