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In response to "Don't worry. We're re-opening the country. -- nm" by David

this is a complete no win, if we stay closed millions need even more help, economic calamity ensues, if we open up, people start dying enmass again -- nm

Posted by zeitgeist Apr 13 '20, 13:12

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It's either lose in a controlled way or lose with chaos. There's only one choice: the longer we stay closed, the sooner we can reopen. -- nm - Max Apr 13, 13:16 5
- It'll be Chaos because that's what America voted for in the WH. -- nm - JaxSean Apr 13, 13:39
- I get that it is hard to see the big picture when you are broke today, and getting worse. -- nm - Spawn Apr 13, 13:25
- I think China will give us a better idea if this is true or not. If they get another full outbreak, then I don't think that this theory is true. -- (edited) - Inigo Apr 13, 13:24 1
  - china biggest issue now is trade at the Russian border, and returnees from foreign countries (who now much quarantine for 14 days in a hotel) -- nm - zeitgeist Apr 13, 13:29
- yup -- nm - prayformojo Apr 13, 13:18
If only there was a sane middle ground that people who believe in science and who have a brain could try to come up with!!! -- nm - JackDawson Apr 13, 13:14 33
- I think this is a pretty good article about what kinds of plans there are. They are still not very appealing in order to manage this in an orderly - pmb Apr 13, 13:47 6
  - The other point is that at the end of the day people will want their own needs met as with everything else - JackDawson Apr 13, 13:54
  - I read that actually and it's pretty comprehensive. The bottom line is that there are imperfect solutions to a unique, staggering problem. - JackDawson Apr 13, 13:51 4
    - Result: We won't do anything remotely like what is suggested and fuck ourselves in the process -- nm - oblique Apr 13, 13:54 3
      - You are correct. It will be a question of who we fuck. -- nm - JackDawson Apr 13, 13:55 2
        
        I'm pretty sure it will fuck everyone. Just in different ways and proportions. -- nm - pmb Apr 13, 14:04 1
        
        Sure, but the devil is in the detail of the proportions. One easily identifiable group is clearly getting fucked way more right now. -- nm - JackDawson Apr 13, 14:07
- Why we're relying on some of the governors. -- nm - . Apr 13, 13:28
- Cuomo wants to restart NY "safely" have you read the details yet, and thoughts? - Bacon Apr 13, 13:16 24
  - He talked about it at his press conference in theoretical terms. - ty97 Apr 13, 13:24 [Attachment] 4
    - He did not give specific dates, said we would rely on experts. Reinforced that it's 12-18 months before we have a vaccine -- nm - ty97 Apr 13, 13:25 3
      - Reasonable, well-meaning experts disagree (you've followed the 538 expert predictions of numbers right? they vary stunningly). He will have to use his - JackDawson Apr 13, 13:46 2
        
        The reality is that it can't be done without more widely available testing and effective tracking and tracing. These are complicated issues (though - pmb Apr 13, 13:51 1
        
        Yup. We mirrored each others' posts here and above. -- nm - JackDawson Apr 13, 13:51
  - Right now all I’ve seen are general thoughts that track experts here and abroad and seem to make sense — wait for new numbers to be low, isolate - JackDawson Apr 13, 13:19 6
    - And another main part is a staggered reopening. - Spawn Apr 13, 13:20 5
      - I see this as a problem. call it staggered and people are going to bum rush the gates anyway. I'm not sick! I can go OUT!! everyone ( other states) - Epiphany Apr 13, 13:22 4
        
        It is more what businesses are allowed to open I think. -- nm - Spawn Apr 13, 13:24 2
        
        I think it will also be with limitations to capacity. Restaurants have to separate tables further, restrictions on numbers of people in stores, movie - pmb Apr 13, 14:26
        
        I see. -- nm - Epiphany Apr 13, 13:37
        
        Texas is about to open the flood gates. I feel for you down there -- nm - Bacon Apr 13, 13:23
  - No but I have heard several healthcare people talking about doing how to do exactly that for the last couple of weeks. -- nm - Spawn Apr 13, 13:17 11
    - Yes everyone seems to agree on the broad outlines as to the how but the devil is in the details of implementation in addition to the minutiae of this - JackDawson Apr 13, 13:20 10
      - Why are the lawyers closed? What about law (well real estate related) requires an in person presence? -- nm - JD Apr 13, 13:38 3
        
        The coop insists on in person closing (it’s really more a pain for the seller who’s sitting on vacant apartment on which he’s paying taxes and mainten - JackDawson Apr 13, 13:39 2
        
        ..and these are among the co-ops that I stereotype as evil for locking that volunteer doctor out so I guess conference service is out of the question -- nm - JD Apr 13, 13:43 1
        
        Your stereotypes of these co-ops are accurate -- nm - JackDawson Apr 13, 13:46
      - Closings here continue. Buyer and seller are not in the same room, though. -- nm - Spawn Apr 13, 13:22
      - You found a house? -- nm - Bacon Apr 13, 13:21 4
        
        Castle. -- nm - Spawn Apr 13, 13:26 3
        
        ...with a sex dungeon. -- nm - Epiphany Apr 13, 13:36 2
        
        Why is it always a dungeon? I get that sex atrium probably isn't practical but why isn't it: ..and this room could be an office or a sex play room? -- nm - JD Apr 13, 13:41 1
        
        Chris Evans made the rule, I'm just going by them -- nm - Epiphany Apr 13, 13:51

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