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Olivia Nuzzi to fakeprez: “if a president loses more lives in 6 weeks than the Vietnam war, does he deserve to be re-elected?” -- nm

Posted by mud Apr 27 '20, 15:36

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The glib comment I’ve seen is “he refused to fight for either” -- nm - Roger More Apr 27, 17:24
That's actually not a fair question. People were going to die anyway. Has he made it worse and more difficult in almost every conceivable way? Sure - pmb Apr 27, 15:44 24
- The death rate is not attached to him. He allowed it to spread for 6 weeks, refused to prepare. - loosilu Apr 27, 16:46 2
  - Actually you're exactly making my point! - pmb Apr 27, 16:51 1
    - Meaning the ratio isn't his fault but the denominator is. -- nm - Reagen Apr 27, 17:04
- it is 100% a fair question. -- nm - Jovian Apr 27, 15:46 1
  - and an even more fair question, would have been to add in the biggest unemployment numbers since the Great Depression. -- nm - Jovian Apr 27, 15:49
- When he's trying to claim that he's done a great job, it is. -- nm - Reagen Apr 27, 15:46 18
  - To wit: -- (link) - Reagen Apr 27, 17:08
  - Eh. I think if we actually had a competent person handling this the death toll would not be significantly different. It might be spread out over a - pmb Apr 27, 16:03 15
    - I have been a national level disaster planner for 18 years, including pandemic. IMO probably 90% of deaths could have been avoided if he did what he was told to do. -- nm* - loosilu Apr 27, 16:49 2
      - Really? 90%? I feel like those would have been miraculously low numbers. Maybe I'm overly pessimistic about the best case scenario. -- nm - pmb Apr 27, 16:54 1
        
        Yes, really. Truly. That's why we have BY FAR the worst outbreak in the world. Every hour counts. HE sat on his ass for six weeks. -- nm - loosilu Apr 27, 17:30
    - The tests. The potential vaccine. The PPEs. The hospitals closing trend. Any prez could have lined up supply and demand solutions to these problems - con_carne Apr 27, 16:25 4
      - This is absurd. Yes. Of course. Nobody is arguing he hasn't done a shitty unforgivable job. It doesn't make the question, as posed, a reasonable - pmb Apr 27, 16:28 3
        
        it is absolutely credible.In a pandemic every hour matters. He delayed 6 weeks, by choice. -- nm - loosilu Apr 27, 16:51 2
        
        I get that. Really I do. And I'm certainly in no way excusing it or suggesting that he not be held accountable. And I'm open to be convinced - pmb Apr 27, 17:07 1
        
        As Ivanka once said, look at the results. - loosilu Apr 27, 17:13
    - Other countries around the world point to that not being true. -- nm - Reagen Apr 27, 16:09 6
      - Maybe. I certainly would love to see how much better a competent person could have been, but it's just too speculative (and places the blame for all - pmb Apr 27, 16:12 5
        
        Not all the deaths, but some portion of the deaths. He made things worse than they should be. -- nm - . Apr 27, 16:20 4
        
        I'm thinking the number is around the 2/3rds mark being his fault. -- nm - Beryllium Apr 27, 16:21 3
        
        And I'd also lay blame on him for the entire loss of life in the medical community. -- nm - Beryllium Apr 27, 16:23 2
        
        That's all speculation. Yes, I agree, he bares some blame. His handling was atrocious and dangerous. The question is still too broad to be taken - pmb Apr 27, 16:26 1
        
        He's failed along a pretty broad swath on this. -- nm - . Apr 27, 16:44
  - exactly -- nm - Jovian Apr 27, 15:47
he cut and run right after that one. lol. or more or less right after that. -- nm - Jovian Apr 27, 15:40

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