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In response to "I may have missed this - Chastity Bono to undergo gender reassignment surgery. -- (link)" by Diva

There were also reports yesterday that she was shopping a reality show about the process. It just gets creepier. -- nm

Posted by David (aka David) Jun 12 '09, 09:35

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If it's done more documentary-style and less sensational-style, it could help us to understand this growing phenomenon that is foreign to us. - ty97 Jun 12, 09:37 5
- i tried to imagine like, i'm me, and i woke up one day with a penis. - Andie Jun 12, 09:39 4
  - I'm trying to understand the psychology of why someone would be born female, but feel they are man trapped in a woman's body (for example). - ty97 Jun 12, 09:43
  - I don't think you can understand it fully. But it's not like just choosing a big mac on the menu; it would seem to be a years, if not decades, long - Don Homer Jun 12, 09:42 2
    - oh, i'm sure. i just mean trying to feel like you are in the wrong body. it must be very very difficult to realize that's what's 'wrong' with you. -- nm - Andie Jun 12, 09:43 1
      - no doubt. -- nm - Don Homer Jun 12, 09:46
Why, exactly, is that creepy? -- nm - znufrii Jun 12, 09:35 31
- For the same reasons as were stated yesterday. -- nm - David Jun 12, 09:37 30
  - I was too busy focusing on Guy being wrong to read most of the rest of the threads by the time I joined the discussion... - znufrii Jun 12, 09:39 29
    - I don't understand how it would be viewed as anything but. -- nm - David Jun 12, 09:39 28
      - I think that's too pejorative. - pmb Jun 12, 09:45 23
        
        in the Iranian doc I mention above there was a very frank discussion about (spoilers) - mafic Jun 12, 09:47
        
        To me, it's no different than the skin transplant in Tropic Thunder. - David Jun 12, 09:47 20
        
        see I find it a little judgemental to say to effectively everyone that's ever had it done "you're wrong, you're in denial, and you don't know what's - mafic Jun 12, 09:50 1
        
        *shrugs* I just feel like I do...and not just about this, as you've probably noticed. -- nm - David Jun 12, 09:53
        
        That's really the point though. It doesn't change who they are, but allows them to live who that really is. - pmb Jun 12, 09:49 15
        
        I don't think I am. - David Jun 12, 09:52 14
        
        Look, I'm not going to tell you that there aren't messed up people looking for an answer who do this. - pmb Jun 12, 10:04 2
        
        At some point, you have to be who you are and things like this allow for the pushing back of that recognition. - David Jun 12, 10:09 1
        
        Take a look at this article. It's based on the 20/20 episode I mentioned. - pmb Jun 12, 10:13
        
        I watched that episode of South Park too -- nm - Roger More Jun 12, 09:56
        
        however, it seems that every interview i've ever seen with someone who has done it, they feel immensely more at peace and at ease afterwards. -- nm - Andie Jun 12, 09:55 3
        
        There was a pretty famous case a few years ago where a woman sued for malpractice because her doctor performed the surgery. - David Jun 12, 10:03 2
        
        Single point of analysis. - pmb Jun 12, 10:05
        
        Here is a cut and paste - David Jun 12, 10:05
        
        If you think looking in the mirror shows "who you really are"... - znufrii Jun 12, 09:55 5
        
        And I think you're someone who really needs to look in the mirror, so... -- nm - David Jun 12, 09:59 4
        
        I do, every morning. - znufrii Jun 12, 10:02 3
        
        Then you're not looking right. -- nm - David Jun 12, 10:06 1
        
        I'm not looking right, or left, otherwise I wouldn't be able to focus on the reflected image of myself in the mirror - znufrii Jun 12, 10:09
        
        and, believe me... - znufrii Jun 12, 10:03
        
        It's not meant to change who you are. It's meant to change your body to be more in tune with who you are. - znufrii Jun 12, 09:49
        
        was there much transplantation? I thought it was a specialized dye process. -- nm - Beryllium Jun 12, 09:48
        
        Agreed. -- nm - Don Homer Jun 12, 09:45
      - For me, simply put, it's the choice the change your outward appearance, to heal a disconnect between your outer appearance and your inner self. -- nm - znufrii Jun 12, 09:42 3
        
        Yeah, I don't buy any of that. It's blaming something arbitrary for one's other issues in life. -- nm - David Jun 12, 09:44 2
        
        I used to think that to a large degree until I saw a 20/20 episode on kids with gender identity issues. - pmb Jun 12, 09:48
        
        I can see that argument being much more valid for other forms of cosmetic surgery, breast implants, etc. - znufrii Jun 12, 09:46

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