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Architect of Sweden's Covid (non) plan says there were "far too many deaths." -- (link)

Posted by Andie Jun 3 '20, 09:25

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52903717 (www.bbc.co.uk)

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oopsie daisies -- nm - Max Jun 3, 10:02
How refreshing is it for someone to tell the truth about a failed response? -- nm - loosilu Jun 3, 09:49 1
- Yes. This. -- nm - Andie Jun 3, 10:02
I mean, it was a plan. It was basically an experiment with the population to see if they could "safely" achieve herd immunity. It has failed - pmb Jun 3, 09:49 16
- Re: Second lock down when the second wave comes (it will)... I don't think you're going to see nearly the same number of jurisdictions shut down. -- nm - Name Withheld By Request Jun 3, 10:06 3
  - I'm curious. You are probably right given that going from 98/99% shutdown, there's only one way to go but down in terms of total number of shutdown - JackDawson Jun 3, 10:10 2
    - I'm sorta betting on a very similar to the first second wave - almost always happens in pandemics - but I could see less than 30% of the shut downs. - Name Withheld By Request Jun 3, 10:24 1
      - I agree with the IM. As for the wave crest, it will depend, IMO, on how much international travel resumes - JackDawson Jun 3, 10:31
- We've basically been doing human experiments all over the world. -- nm - loosilu Jun 3, 09:50 11
  - Yup. What else are we supposed to do? -- nm - JackDawson Jun 3, 09:59 10
    - I think that's the most challenging question here. We really don't have a good idea on how to proceed. -- nm - David Jun 3, 10:11 9
      - The reality is we all have a number where we would say it's not worth the effects of a lockdown. We're just arguing that number. -- nm - Dano Jun 3, 10:55 2
        
        Well said. -- nm - Strongbad Jun 3, 12:02
        
        Yes, you're absolutely right. -- nm - David Jun 3, 11:03
      - I hate Trump for thinking the Dow and his reelection matter more than doing the right thing, beyond that and some "hoaxers" out there, it's hard for m - JackDawson Jun 3, 10:14 5
        
        Cases haven't spiked dramatically in a lot of places, but if you compare some places that initially had it very bad (ie Italy) - Reagen Jun 3, 10:23 4
        
        That's true but does depend on the level of the flat line. A flat line at 10 cases per day isn't the same as a flat line at 10,000. - JackDawson Jun 3, 10:27 3
        
        Sure, but it's been shown that you can do more than flatten - Reagen Jun 3, 10:31 2
        
        Of course, that's my whole point about different strokes for different folks and you can't talk about one size fits all - JackDawson Jun 3, 10:34 1
        
        Absolutely. Quebec is still raging at hundreds of cases a day and Shaun (rightly) gets annoyed at 3 new cases in NB. -- (edited) - Reagen Jun 3, 10:38
You don't say... -- nm - Mop Jun 3, 09:47
If the antibody numbers I posted earlier are even halfway accurate, then all the deaths in Sweden were for naught. Only 5% have antibodies. -- nm - Beryllium Jun 3, 09:36
who could of known?! -- nm - Beaker Jun 3, 09:26 1
- The full story on these strategies remains to be told, right? There are wildly varying approaches. If a vaccine is never found or it takes years, we - JackDawson Jun 3, 09:58

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