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Biden comes out against "defunding" police departments, while promoting funding for all of the complementary programs that are needed to make defunding realistic -- (link*)

Posted by znufrii, silly old man (aka znufrii) Jun 8 '20, 10:41

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Count on the media to focus only on the first part and how Democrats are yet again disappointing progressives. (twitter.com)

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I don't understand what Minneapolis is going to do. They're disbanding the police, what happens when a crime is committed? You call a social agency? -- nm - jnine Jun 8, 10:43 30
- It's like "Abolish ICE". It doesn't mean "literally no one watch the borders", it means take out the rot and start fresh. -- nm - Reagen Jun 8, 11:12 3
  - There's going to be a reckoning on police unions though. One (DP) is intrinsically linked to the other (their hold on costs). -- nm - Name Withheld By Request Jun 8, 11:47
  - There are other word options, like "Replace" or "Restructure" -- nm - Max Jun 8, 11:15 1
    - Too wishywashy. -- nm - znufrii, silly old man Jun 8, 11:17
- I think its about determining what services/etc. should be performed by the armed trained members of the police, and what do they do which should be - tRuMaN Jun 8, 11:09
- best example i've heard is on homelessness. police are often asked to address the homeless population in a city. - colin Jun 8, 11:07 2
  - I understand what defunding is, I was explaining it to a friend yesterday, but Minneapolis claims it's getting rid of their police entirely. That was - jnine Jun 8, 11:12 1
    - ah, gotcha. i think they idea is they fire everybody and rehire from scratch under new rules and systems. redefining the police department? - colin Jun 8, 11:14
- Get rid of the occupational force mentality...but damn, donny going to law n order himself back into the WH on fear of no cops -- nm - zeitgeist Jun 8, 10:56
- Vox has a great little explainer on what it means to "defund the police" (and it doesn't mean "zero out the police department budget"). - ReluctantCynic Jun 8, 10:54 6
  - It's great that so much of the substance of this has been fleshed out, but the constant need to explain away the rhetoric is...worrisome -- (edited) - znufrii, silly old man Jun 8, 11:00
  - I understand that, but Minneapolis says it's dismantling the entire department. -- nm - jnine Jun 8, 10:57 4
    - Camden NJ did that, apparently. They made all the officers reapply for their jobs. -- nm - loosilu Jun 8, 11:44
    - Yes, but sort of. They don't have a plan yet. This is rhetoric. They are going to spend a year figuring out what it means, but I guaranty you there - pmb Jun 8, 11:04
    - Really? I'm rather far behind on the news. Didn't see that. I'll need to catch up. -- nm - ReluctantCynic Jun 8, 10:58 1
      - 9 of 12 City Council members, a veto proof majority, have announced they are voting to disband the police dept. -- (link) - jnine Jun 8, 11:03
- I think the fundamental idea is “If you were starting a system from scratch to take care of people, what would it look like?” - Volnelk Jun 8, 10:49 1
  - I think this post does a good job of describing it... -- (link) - Dark Callisto Jun 8, 10:59
- It's not so much disbanding the entire force as reimagining the whole system. Limiting police to police functions like investigating crimes, but - pmb Jun 8, 10:49
- There was some discussion here last night on B4 & B5 that might be useful to review. - znufrii, silly old man Jun 8, 10:48 8
  - I know that's the general thought, but from what I read, it seems that Minneapolis is getting rid of the police. -- nm - jnine Jun 8, 10:50 7
    - It's way too early to make conclusions about what they're going to do. -- nm - mara Jun 8, 10:55
    - basically, it sounds a lot more dramatic than it will likely turn out to be. -- nm* - znufrii, silly old man Jun 8, 10:55
    - They're shutting down their police department, which is not the same thing as having no police. - znufrii, silly old man Jun 8, 10:52 4
      - The "Defund the Police" slogan is confusing and scary to a lot of people. It's not a winner. That slogan would drag Biden down. -- nm - ty97 Jun 8, 10:52 3
        
        Pelosi was very clever today, I think, in referring to a "rebalancing" of resources. - znufrii, silly old man Jun 8, 10:54
        
        agreed. -- nm - tRuMaN Jun 8, 10:54 1
        
        agreed. -- nm - amanda Jun 8, 10:55
- Taco Bell will be Fine Dining and Restrooms wil use the 3 Seashells -- nm - budice Jun 8, 10:46 1
  - Hey! -- (pic) - Shaun Jun 8, 10:48 [Attachment]

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