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While I'm being controversial - I don't like "Defund the Police." nm

Posted by John Murphy (aka Jim) Jun 8 '20, 11:50

If you have to continually explain to people that your slogan doesn't actually mean what it sounds like it means - I think you have a problem with your slogan.

And if it's carried on into the election - the right is going to push hard telling people that "Defund the Police" is synonymous with "Disband the Police".

I really think they need to workshop the slogan before a really strong idea/plan is doomed by its name.

Responses:

Police Reset -- nm - Spawn Jun 8, 12:10
Smash the piggy bank. -- nm - Loyola Jun 8, 12:07
Fund the Populace -- nm - Max Jun 8, 12:06 1
- Fund the Community (With Police Money) would work -- nm - colin Jun 8, 12:12
Defund the Lawyers? -- nm - budice Jun 8, 12:04
DeSting the Police -- nm - Beaker Jun 8, 12:03 1
- whoa -- nm - mud Jun 8, 12:07
Demilitarize the Police -- nm - JaxSean Jun 8, 12:00 6
- Ironically I thought some years ago ST had discussed how military police are actually much better at deescalation than civilian police. -- nm - Max Jun 8, 12:08
- I don't know what this means. - groiny Jun 8, 12:01 4
  - Here's Patrick Skinner's take on demilitarization (former CIA counterterrorist, now a beat cop). -- (link) - mara Jun 8, 12:07 1
    - That's a VERY good piece -- nm - JaxSean Jun 8, 12:15
  - The police since 9/11 have become armed in almost a militaristic manner. I think some PDs have tanks or similar -- nm - ty97 Jun 8, 12:03
  - Make them walk around in business suits for a year. -- nm - Beryllium Jun 8, 12:02
I agree. It doesn’t at all describe what the intent is. Some version of Police Aren’t For Everything would be more accurate. -- nm - Qale Jun 8, 12:00 1
- I think it does describe exactly what the intent is, directionally, it just overshoots its target, imo -- nm* - znufrii, silly old man Jun 8, 12:01
no need to defund anything, just fucking fix your recruiting and evaluation processes. - groiny Jun 8, 11:59 29
- Eh, I don't totally agree with that. The chief of police in Dallas (I think he was the chief)...John Oliver showed part of his speech - John Murphy Jun 8, 12:04 12
  - you defund police, you can kiss those vest cameras goodbye. - groiny Jun 8, 12:07 11
    - Sure, if you write them a blank check. So you don't. -- (edited) - ty97 Jun 8, 12:10 10
      - it was like what a year ago, they wanted dashcams on all cars, they wanted vest cameras on everyone. - groiny Jun 8, 12:12 9
        
        it's $1000/year/camera. that's not a crazy amount of money. -- nm - colin Jun 8, 12:14 8
        
        so, where was the 4 vest cam footage of the 4 cops who were involved? -- nm - groiny Jun 8, 12:16 7
        
        MPD has been withholding the vest cam video of the Floyd incident. -- nm - Beryllium Jun 8, 12:25 2
        
        which is part of the problem IMO. -- nm - groiny Jun 8, 12:28 1
        
        Agreed. It should immediately go to a national database that is subject to FOIA requests. - Beryllium Jun 8, 12:56
        
        Pretty sure I have seen a lot of it. -- nm - Spawn Jun 8, 12:21 2
        
        I have not seen any of them. - groiny Jun 8, 12:22 1
        
        Looks like I saw dashcam and some bodycam from one officer. But yes, the rest was civilian. -- nm - Spawn Jun 8, 12:48
        
        i don't know. cams should come with immediate dismissal over missing footage of an incident. - colin Jun 8, 12:21
- The current police unions just won't allow most of what you say here. -- (edited) - Inigo Jun 8, 12:03 5
  - I think that's a lot of the reason that change is needed. Unions have too much say on police matters. -- nm - David Jun 8, 12:06 4
    - the killer cop here had what 12 violations? - groiny Jun 8, 12:08 3
      - Exactly. Btw, in re-reading old posts, you've been spot-on in several instances, particularly with Kaep and mental illness with cops. -- nm - David Jun 8, 12:14 2
        
        not sure what about Kaep, but I grew up in a police and fire dept neighborhood. - groiny Jun 8, 12:19
        
        WHAT!!!!!!! - groiny Jun 8, 12:14
- we can tackle ALL of those, that's why I think defund is a good word - it's addressing many things at once. - colin Jun 8, 12:01 [Attachment] 3
  - I guess the problem is there's no one word that means "reduce funding." Downfund? Re-fund? De-escalate? -- nm - mara Jun 8, 12:04 2
    - Retrench the Police doesn't have the same ring ;) -- nm - colin Jun 8, 12:06
    - Pelosi came close with "rebalancing" today, I think. - znufrii, silly old man Jun 8, 12:05
- I think it's worth evaluating if police are overfunded and if some things could be dealt with in a different manner. - ty97 Jun 8, 12:00 4
  - Police are asked to carry out a huge variety of tasks, it seems -- nm - con_carne Jun 8, 12:48
  - That's too long for a slogan though. -- nm - znufrii, silly old man Jun 8, 12:02 1
    - Certainly! I'm not a good slogan maker. But I know a bad slogan when I see one -- nm - ty97 Jun 8, 12:05
  - All of this -- nm - JackDawson Jun 8, 12:02
- And track everything nationally. The FBI can't even say how many people the police have murdered, because the data isn't tracked. -- nm - Beryllium Jun 8, 11:59
But then again -- (link) - Reagen Jun 8, 11:58
Now I have to go back and figure out what you were actually being controversial about -- nm - ty97 Jun 8, 11:57
Imagine there's no countries, it isn't hard to do - Spawn Jun 8, 11:56 1
- commie -- nm - mud Jun 8, 11:57
Rethink policing. Divert some police funding to more social services. Try new approaches to some things. Yes all for it. - ty97 Jun 8, 11:55 1
- Better police for less money. Or something like that. -- nm - Inigo Jun 8, 11:58
Totally agree. -- nm - ReluctantCynic Jun 8, 11:54
I'm just waiting for the inevitable progressive backlash against Biden and Pelosi, etc. for trying to distance themselves from it. -- (edited) - znufrii, silly old man Jun 8, 11:53
someone on twitter said " Police the Police" -- nm - Epiphany- not ADAB Jun 8, 11:53 2
- One I saw was "Demilitarize the Police." I think funding is a huge issue, though. (And auditing overtime.) -- nm - mara Jun 8, 11:59
- that's not enough. -- nm - colin Jun 8, 11:54
I'm on board with "Abolish ICE", but you're right that "Defund the Police" is ambiguous. - Beryllium Jun 8, 11:53 4
- They could use "Transform" or "Reform" but "Defund" sounds like "don't give them any more money. Ever." - John Murphy Jun 8, 11:55 3
  - too wishywashy. reforming the police can mean any number of different things, effective and not. - znufrii, silly old man Jun 8, 12:00 1
    - It's a loser as a slogan. Needs to be replaced. - ty97 Jun 8, 12:01
  - agree -- nm - ty97 Jun 8, 11:56
i responded on B2 to your previous statements. -- nm - colin Jun 8, 11:52
I thought I posted on B2, but maybe not b/c I can't find it, that's it's a terrible slogan and Biden would be hurting himself by adopting it -- nm* - ty97 Jun 8, 11:52 3
- Wouldn't? -- nm - Beryllium Jun 8, 11:53
- yess -- (link) - colin Jun 8, 11:52 [Backboard] 1
  - There it is! -- nm - ty97 Jun 8, 11:53
"Yo, Dre, I got something to say:" -- nm - Max Jun 8, 11:52

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