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In response to "While I'm being controversial - I don't like "Defund the Police." nm" by John Murphy

no need to defund anything, just fucking fix your recruiting and evaluation processes.

Posted by groiny (aka groiny) Jun 8 '20, 11:59

Review any complaints in a timely manner, and take infractions seriously

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Eh, I don't totally agree with that. The chief of police in Dallas (I think he was the chief)...John Oliver showed part of his speech - John Murphy Jun 8, 12:04 12
- you defund police, you can kiss those vest cameras goodbye. - groiny Jun 8, 12:07 11
  - Sure, if you write them a blank check. So you don't. -- (edited) - ty97 Jun 8, 12:10 10
    - it was like what a year ago, they wanted dashcams on all cars, they wanted vest cameras on everyone. - groiny Jun 8, 12:12 9
      - it's $1000/year/camera. that's not a crazy amount of money. -- nm - colin Jun 8, 12:14 8
        
        so, where was the 4 vest cam footage of the 4 cops who were involved? -- nm - groiny Jun 8, 12:16 7
        
        MPD has been withholding the vest cam video of the Floyd incident. -- nm - Beryllium Jun 8, 12:25 2
        
        which is part of the problem IMO. -- nm - groiny Jun 8, 12:28 1
        
        Agreed. It should immediately go to a national database that is subject to FOIA requests. - Beryllium Jun 8, 12:56
        
        Pretty sure I have seen a lot of it. -- nm - Spawn Jun 8, 12:21 2
        
        I have not seen any of them. - groiny Jun 8, 12:22 1
        
        Looks like I saw dashcam and some bodycam from one officer. But yes, the rest was civilian. -- nm - Spawn Jun 8, 12:48
        
        i don't know. cams should come with immediate dismissal over missing footage of an incident. - colin Jun 8, 12:21
The current police unions just won't allow most of what you say here. -- (edited) - Inigo Jun 8, 12:03 5
- I think that's a lot of the reason that change is needed. Unions have too much say on police matters. -- nm - David Jun 8, 12:06 4
  - the killer cop here had what 12 violations? - groiny Jun 8, 12:08 3
    - Exactly. Btw, in re-reading old posts, you've been spot-on in several instances, particularly with Kaep and mental illness with cops. -- nm - David Jun 8, 12:14 2
      - not sure what about Kaep, but I grew up in a police and fire dept neighborhood. - groiny Jun 8, 12:19
      - WHAT!!!!!!! - groiny Jun 8, 12:14
we can tackle ALL of those, that's why I think defund is a good word - it's addressing many things at once. - colin Jun 8, 12:01 [Attachment] 3
- I guess the problem is there's no one word that means "reduce funding." Downfund? Re-fund? De-escalate? -- nm - mara Jun 8, 12:04 2
  - Retrench the Police doesn't have the same ring ;) -- nm - colin Jun 8, 12:06
  - Pelosi came close with "rebalancing" today, I think. - znufrii, silly old man Jun 8, 12:05
I think it's worth evaluating if police are overfunded and if some things could be dealt with in a different manner. - ty97 Jun 8, 12:00 4
- Police are asked to carry out a huge variety of tasks, it seems -- nm - con_carne Jun 8, 12:48
- That's too long for a slogan though. -- nm - znufrii, silly old man Jun 8, 12:02 1
  - Certainly! I'm not a good slogan maker. But I know a bad slogan when I see one -- nm - ty97 Jun 8, 12:05
- All of this -- nm - JackDawson Jun 8, 12:02
And track everything nationally. The FBI can't even say how many people the police have murdered, because the data isn't tracked. -- nm - Beryllium Jun 8, 11:59

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no need to defund anything, just fucking fix your recruiting and evaluation processes.

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