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Because "Defund all of the roles the police shouldn't actually be responsible for but we ask them to take on anyway" is too long for a hashtag. -- nm

Posted by znufrii, silly old man (aka znufrii) Jun 9 '20, 06:36

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"Defund" is the starting bargaining position. What gets defunded, by how much, and where those funds get moved to is what needs - TWuG Jun 9, 07:18 6
- It's not a starting position because you've already lost with that slogan -- nm - ty97 Jun 9, 07:55 2
  - Kinda amazing to me that you are calling us 'tone police' for pointing out (as we AGREE with you on the desired end!) that it's a flawed message -- nm - ty97 Jun 9, 07:56 1
    - Exactly - we aren't disagreeing with any part of this except your desired slogan. - John Murphy Jun 9, 08:00
- To your last line, in a word...no. -- nm - John Murphy Jun 9, 07:41
- It's also flushing out people like this -- (link) - Reagen Jun 9, 07:40
- Classic bargaining with yourself liberalism -- (link) - Reagen Jun 9, 07:33 [Backboard]
Reform and Defund have the same number of letters. - Will Hunting Jun 9, 07:11 11
- Only one of them is a good chant. -- nm - mafic Jun 9, 08:12
- Too ambiguous, as reform can and will be interpreted to mean any number of things - znufrii, silly old man Jun 9, 07:14 9
  - Whereas defund has a meaning at odds with the stated goal which is to reform policing. - Will Hunting Jun 9, 07:16 8
    - It's only at odds if you insist on the most absolute and obtusely literal interpretation of it. -- (edited) - znufrii, silly old man Jun 9, 07:19 7
      - Anytime you need to explain a slogan, ad executives get boners. FFS, man. - Will Hunting Jun 9, 07:21 6
        
        And we've decided that "take away funds" means "take away ALL funds"....why? -- nm - znufrii, silly old man Jun 9, 07:22 5
        
        Too ambiguous, as “take away some money” can and will be interpreted to mean any number of things - Will Hunting Jun 9, 07:26 3
        
        Which is why no one is suggesting that budgets simply be cut indiscriminately. -- nm - znufrii, silly old man Jun 9, 07:30 2
        
        So, we are back to you agreeing that this is a complex issue with limited use for mislabeled hashtags. Good. Now go reform the police - Will Hunting Jun 9, 07:36 1
        
        *rearranges deck chairs* - Titanic deck crew Jun 9, 07:46
        
        It's really simple - if you have to explain it over and over and over - it's a weak slogan. Period. If the other side can rally around YOUR slogan - John Murphy Jun 9, 07:26
I keep imagining Jim marching in the streets for his right to better slogans - con_carne Jun 9, 07:04
And yet "Transform" isn't. And neither is "Reform". But sure, dig in on "Defund" and see how that works out. -- nm - John Murphy Jun 9, 06:58 5
- I guess it's better than "disband" which was floated a couple of days ago. -- nm - zunk takes things literally Jun 9, 07:06 4
  - Camden, NJ did exactly that and they seem to like the outcome. It won't work everywhere but some place might want to look into it. -- nm - Krusty Jun 9, 07:20 3
    - Not perfect, but from what I've read about it a significant improvement from what it was. -- nm - znufrii, silly old man Jun 9, 07:23
    - I do think it will be tried in some cities and I'm interested to see what comes of it. I'll look into Camden. -- nm - zunk takes things literally Jun 9, 07:23 1
      - They were in a very bad place at the time and things have improved a bit. It's still a work in progress -- nm - Krusty Jun 9, 07:27
You keep saying this without addressing how you are going to lose the argument with a bad slogan -- nm - ty97 Jun 9, 06:56 7
- Exactly. -- nm - pmb Jun 9, 07:23
- Don't get mad at people who agree with you for telling you that your messaging is poor -- nm - ty97 Jun 9, 06:56 5
  - Welcome to my life -- nm - JackDawson Jun 9, 07:45
  - who's getting mad? -- nm - znufrii, silly old man Jun 9, 06:57 3
    - Considering your repeated posts about hashtags, the topic sure irks you -- nm - ty97 Jun 9, 06:59 2
      - My what? - znufrii, silly old man Jun 9, 07:05
      - #oldmanznu -- nm - tRuMaN Jun 9, 07:00
*nods* -- nm - tRuMaN Jun 9, 06:44

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