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I'm not sure this is it Joe -- (link)

Posted by ty97 Jun 10 '20, 06:44

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https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/1270691611576500227 (twitter.com)

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(I will note that I haven't read the op-ed yet so only saw the pull quote. I should read the full contents) -- nm - ty97 Jun 10, 06:57 3
- its about what you would expect. doesnt like the idea of defunded, but support reforming. supports more local policing, national reforms, giving - tRuMaN Jun 10, 07:03
- I read it and it's not much beyond the headline as it relates to the police. He wants to give them more money instead of calling for them to simply - Krusty Jun 10, 07:01 1
  - I doubt he's missing the point, I'm sure he's polling aggressively on the matter. -- nm - ty97 Jun 10, 07:03
He's going in the opposite direction that the wind is blowing. Who is advising him because they need to be replaced asap. -- nm - Krusty Jun 10, 06:47 16
- If the program has all the right elements, it's actually a good way to combat systemic racism in law enforcement. - ReluctantCynic Jun 10, 07:15
- It's kind of ... savvy? I don't think anyone expects Biden to be a radical defund the police guy (that should be done at local levels anyway) - Reagen Jun 10, 06:52 14
  - But at the same time it puts a bad taste in the mouth of a lot of people. Sure, they're still going to vote for him and he's really - Krusty Jun 10, 06:57 10
    - So "Defund the police" means what it doesn't mean and Biden is the one with poor messaging? -- nm - Max Jun 10, 07:49
    - police are a local issue. I would rather him focus on providing the funds to allow cities/etc. to change how departments run, and train/hire -- (edited) - tRuMaN Jun 10, 06:58 8
      - They have the funds already. They don't need more money, they can easily shift funds once they're no longer being asked to do a number of things - Krusty Jun 10, 07:02 7
        
        They do still need funds. It will be more expensive to separate these things out. That's part of why it is what it is. - pmb Jun 10, 07:05 3
        
        They don't need the money, they're getting plenty. Other agencies need more money and the work needs to be shifted away from the police freeing them - Krusty Jun 10, 07:11 2
        
        those sorts of changes cost money. what agency/department is going to do this? is it integrated into the 911 system? are they setup for 24hr on call -- (edited) - tRuMaN Jun 10, 07:17 1
        
        I think the police have more then enough money to cover yet another community policing initiative and that federal funds should go directly to other -- (edited) - Krusty Jun 10, 07:25
        
        But will they? If not, and you put this money out there the requires it be used for those things, perhaps a good? - ty97 Jun 10, 07:04
        
        so that isnt defunding the police, its reforming the police and moving funds to increase/develop other services or departments. - tRuMaN Jun 10, 07:04 1
        
        It's both. -- nm - Dark Callisto Jun 10, 07:19
  - agreed. -- nm - tRuMaN Jun 10, 06:57
  - I think it's still not enough. He doesn't have to go full on "Defund", but this sounds like lip service. -- nm - pmb Jun 10, 06:55
  - Plus, reforms aren’t free. You’ll need reviewers, audits, consultants... - Will Hunting Jun 10, 06:54

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