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In response to "Treasury releases data on PPP program, says 51.1 million jobs were supported by the program -- (link*)" by znufrii, silly old man

When PPP money and Airline bailouts expire. Curious to see the increases in unemployment -- nm

Posted by budice Jul 6 '20, 08:43

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A second wave of stimulus is badly needed. -- nm - pmb Jul 6, 09:03 16
- They also need to extend the pandemic unemployment boost which ends on July 31st. -- nm - Marquis de Krusty Jul 6, 09:09 15
  - I have mixed feelings. Several of our contractors have zero help as they are making more money on unemployment+ than they did working. -- nm - Spawn Jul 6, 09:11 14
    - You can't refuse to go back to work or unemployment ends. If you're offered your job back you have to go. -- nm - Marquis de Krusty Jul 6, 09:36
    - While this may be anecdotally true, I think it is a tiny fraction of the whole. -- nm - pmb Jul 6, 09:31 4
      - *shrugs* Probably true but in this single town I can list five companies dealing with it. Nearly 40 people. That is a problem with them using a flat - Spawn Jul 6, 09:35 3
        
        But that's not how it works at all. They can't keep collecting UI if they were offered their job back and the employer has every reason to tell the - Marquis de Krusty Jul 6, 09:40 2
        
        Another example, I know a guy with a lawncare company in a different town. Much bigger company. He gave his workers substantial raises to keep - Spawn Jul 6, 09:42 1
        
        I can't argue with what you're seeing. I don't doubt you but I am surprised they're having issues hiring if it's not virus related. -- nm - Marquis de Krusty Jul 6, 09:44
    - Might vary by state, but my understanding is that refusal of an offer of work was grounds for termination of unemployment benefits. -- nm - znufrii, silly old man Jul 6, 09:18 7
      - Like their boss is going to turn them in? At least he will get them back at some point. These are mainly lawncare companies so there is a shortage of - Spawn Jul 6, 09:21 6
        
        It's in his interest to tell the state as employers pay for unemployment. -- (link) - Marquis de Krusty Jul 6, 09:38 3
        
        Oh yeah. I own a business, so I know. I think their fear of the employee not returning is trumping that. Like I said, I am an outside observer but I - Spawn Jul 6, 09:40 2
        
        That makes little sense to me as there is massive unemployment so employers shouldn't have any trouble filling open positions. -- nm - Marquis de Krusty Jul 6, 09:41 1
        
        Jobs come with health care and other benefits you don't get from UI. -- nm - Marquis de Krusty Jul 6, 09:41
        
        I mean, I'm impressed that they were able to collect. - General Whee Jul 6, 09:26 1
        
        I have zero idea if they are actually collecting, but they sure seem to be waiting for the expiration to come back. -- nm - Spawn Jul 6, 09:37
second wave of the shutdown is going to *suck* -- nm - znufrii, silly old man Jul 6, 08:54

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