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Trump is losing his sh!t on twitter - decline Jul 9, 07:51 7
- He doesn't even understand his own gameplan - Brian Jul 9, 07:55 2
  - I love that the logic on that side is “Sweet. He gets to keep his financial information secret until after the election!” - Volnelk Jul 9, 07:58
  - It's entirely consistent with his game plan, he needs to be able to continue to portray himself as a martyr. -- nm* - znufrii, silly old man Jul 9, 07:57
- babies are going to tantrum *shrug* does anyone even care? -- nm - Epiphany-screaming in my heart Jul 9, 07:53
- LAW & ORDER! -- nm - the ice Jul 9, 07:52 1
  - Obviously bringing on Munch to SVU was a good decision, but did we really need Cassidy? And then he comes back! -- nm - Qale Jul 9, 07:54
- So in other words it's a day ending in "y"? -- nm - znufrii, silly old man Jul 9, 07:52
The Mayor of Seoul is missing. -- (link) - Diva Jul 9, 07:39 7
- Was he with Naya Riveria? - Epiphany-screaming in my heart Jul 9, 07:53 3
  - I went there too, but didn't post. -- nm - Diva Jul 9, 07:59
  - It was the first response that popped into my mind - JD Jul 9, 07:55
  - What is it with the Glee cast and weird life outcomes? -- nm - the ice Jul 9, 07:53
- Maybe he's Seoul searching. -- nm - jnine Jul 9, 07:50
- Otis Redding? -- nm - loosilu Jul 9, 07:46
- A Seoul-less Mayor -- nm - the ice Jul 9, 07:46
LIR school talk: The county here is planning 1 week in school, 2 week at home to reduce the number of kids in school. - sycor Jul 9, 07:39 6
- Our is looking at every-other day for half the students. That would not be much better. TG Logan is self-sufficient if this happens. In all honesty I - Spawn Jul 9, 07:48 1
  - How does that even work if both parents have jobs? -- nm - loosilu Jul 9, 07:49
- The answer to your IM is "It's not". It's going to be a shitshow. I'm glad my kids are old enough but I'm seriously wondering how many credits my - oblique Jul 9, 07:43 3
  - Shitshow is an understatement. I dunno, it may be that as long as I can work from home the boys stay here while I work and they do their school work. - sycor Jul 9, 07:56
  - Coronavirus gap year? -- nm - Beryllium Jul 9, 07:45 1
    - if i had a kid going to college (going! ha!) this fall i would defer for a year. No question. -- nm - Andie Jul 9, 07:47
I wonder if Alito or Thomas decide to jump while their party is in charge since they are seemingly on their own island - Will Hunting Jul 9, 07:35 7
- They had major victories in the public union case, etc. Thomas has been writing completely insane dissents about how the first amendment does not app - JackDawson Jul 9, 07:40
- I'm sure they were pressured, at least somewhat, to let Trump replace them (Thomas probably especially). -- nm - ty97 Jul 9, 07:39
- They win all the religious cases, for one -- nm - JackDawson Jul 9, 07:38
- Leave the court? - Marquis de Krusty Jul 9, 07:37
- Too late, we all know SCOTUS nominees can't be confirmed in an election year. -- nm - znufrii, silly old man Jul 9, 07:36 2
  - The democrats don't have the wherewithal to succeed at that tactic. -- nm - Beryllium Jul 9, 07:39 1
    - (or the votes) -- nm - znufrii, silly old man Jul 9, 07:40
For the 1/100th time, wth -- nm - Beryllium Jul 9, 07:34
Dawson, left you an Oklahoma question way down -- nm - ty97 Jul 9, 07:32
does this mean a president, even a fake one, is beyond congressional oversight? "above the law"? -- nm - mud Jul 9, 07:30 2
- I believe it means the opposite. -- nm - Mop Jul 9, 07:33 1
  - a "sitting" president, though -- nm - mud Jul 9, 07:47
The Oklahoma case is pretty whopping. The consequences severe. Thousands of criminal cases prosecuted in state courts may have to be retried. -- (link) - Mop Jul 9, 07:30 7
- Convicted of raping a four year old. Ugh. - oblique Jul 9, 07:37 6
  - Wow did you really just fall for that old lawyer's trick of putting their best fact in their dissent to try to convince you? - JackDawson Jul 9, 07:39 4
    - Is it wrong that I read this in Annalise Keating’s voice? (How To Get Away With Murder) -- nm - Qale Jul 9, 07:44
    - Heh. I appreciate the legalities here. It was just a bit of a shock to see that was the root of the case. - oblique Jul 9, 07:41 2
      - Which would be a sad and unfortunate headline. The Court is there to decide legal questions. -- nm - JackDawson Jul 9, 07:47
      - Ya know, if that happens - I wonder how Trumpers will react to the court that's stacked FOR them - allowed this to happen. -- nm - Daniel Prime Jul 9, 07:44
  - Yeah, it’s a hell of a basis for overturning the legal status of half a state. But it’s not gonna save this monster’s ass. -- nm - Mop Jul 9, 07:38
"At least 82 coronavirus cases have been linked to a Missouri summer camp" -- (link) - prayformojo Jul 9, 07:26 4
- Yeah that's been news here for a bit. They took zero precautions. -- nm - spamlet Jul 9, 07:27 3
  - And I still have parents of Scouts pissed that Scout Summer Camps were canceled for the year. nm - Daniel Prime Jul 9, 07:28 2
    - Yeah our church camp was cancelled for the summer and there was a lot of grumbling about it. I was super glad they did. - spamlet Jul 9, 07:30 1
      - I'm gonna post this article on our Troop Facebook page - can't wait to see if there are any responses. -- nm - Daniel Prime Jul 9, 07:34
Mazars appears to be 7-2 that the House CAN issue subpoenas but these may be too broad and Courts below need to narrow them -- nm - JackDawson Jul 9, 07:21 16
- Huh. I was wrong on this one. -- nm - Marquis de Krusty Jul 9, 07:23 10
  - Based on the summary link I posted yesterday, it seemed easy for this one to go either way per conflicting precedence - ty97 Jul 9, 07:24 9
    - With my basic understanding of things I thought Vance had a very strong case while the House had a weak one. -- nm - Marquis de Krusty Jul 9, 07:25 8
      - The Vance case definitely was stronger based on my layman read. -- nm* - ty97 Jul 9, 07:25 7
        
        That was the expectation after the argument but if you think about it it was the opposite, right? - JackDawson Jul 9, 07:26 6
        
        Hmmm, interesting. - ty97 Jul 9, 07:28
        
        It also means that the next President can be harassed by a state prosecutor in Mississippi trying to win re-election, right? -- nm - spamlet Jul 9, 07:28 4
        
        Thanks for tipping our hand, dude. -- nm - GOP Jul 9, 07:34
        
        on the other hand, the SCOTUS said unanimously in Clinton v. Jones that a president can be forced to sit for a civil deposition in a civil lawsuit whi - JackDawson Jul 9, 07:30
        
        Yup. -- nm - JackDawson Jul 9, 07:29
        
        Yeah, this was my immediate thought. Will become a new thing for local DAs of one party to harass the President perhaps -- nm - ty97 Jul 9, 07:29
- So basically punt everything back to lower courts so this drags out past the election (on purpose by SCOTUS I'm guessing?) - ty97 Jul 9, 07:22 2
  - Many many times cases get thrown back to lower Courts. In Mazars, they announce a new standard. This punt is a "start all over punt - JackDawson Jul 9, 07:24 1
    - Oh sure, remanding is not uncommon I realize. -- nm - ty97 Jul 9, 07:24
- Yup. With the same lineup--Gorsuch and Kavanaugh with Roberts and libs. Sent back for a new look at the subpoenas under this new test --this will be - JackDawson Jul 9, 07:22 1
  - That's a lot of words to say "no fishing" :-P -- nm - Baron Burr Jul 9, 07:24
Jack, we can add state and local authorities in there too as the case may be - Reagen Jul 9, 07:21
Vance is getting remanded so will still be tied up in lower courts apparently -- nm - ty97 Jul 9, 07:20
nm -- nm* - the ice Jul 9, 07:18
The Alito dissent seems to suggest Mazars also went against Trump. It's quoted in a footnote. Roberts seemed to be author. -- nm* - spamlet Jul 9, 07:18 1
- Roberts would have to be the author of any remaining opinions. -- nm - ty97 Jul 9, 07:19
So Vance can subpoena, what about Congress? Did they say? -- nm - ty97 Jul 9, 07:18 3
- That's Mazar's. about another minute for that one and end of term. -- nm - JackDawson Jul 9, 07:19
- Or are they going to issue a separate opinion? -- nm - ty97 Jul 9, 07:19 1
  - Liberals plus Roberts declare for Tastes Great. Others dissent on side of Less Filling -- nm - prayformojo Jul 9, 07:20
"Given these safeguards and the Court's precedents, we cannot conclude that absolute immunity is necessary or appropriate under Article II or the - ty97 Jul 9, 07:17
AM Joy was a good name. ReidOut? What the hell is that? And is it on Quibi? -- nm - Qale Jul 9, 07:16
Screw today. I'm going back to bad -- nm - prayformojo Jul 9, 07:16
My 'T's were Talking Heads and the Tron: Legacy soundtrack by Daft Punk -- nm - LMS Jul 9, 07:15 6
- I missed the call for T's. :( I would've guessed KT Tunstall. -- nm - Baron Burr Jul 9, 07:17
- I can't believe I missed Talking Heads. *smh* -- nm - Marquis de Krusty Jul 9, 07:16 4
  - same -- nm - ty97 Jul 9, 07:17
  - I totally forget about them. -- nm - Epiphany-screaming in my heart Jul 9, 07:17 2
    - They should have had a song like Simple Minds did. -- nm - Roger More Jul 9, 07:19
    - *primal scream* -- nm - David Byrne Jul 9, 07:18
Atlantic bubble people: PEI is holding a "surprise" update at noon today. These are almost never "we're still kicking butt!!" updates. -- nm - Shaun Jul 9, 07:14 1
- You don’t know that! Maybe they’re announcing the healing properties of potatoes! -- nm - Mop Jul 9, 07:44
here: -- (link) - mud Jul 9, 07:13
Vance can issue subpoenas to Trump - 5-4 Roberts -- nm - JackDawson Jul 9, 07:11 20
- That can’t be right. I’m pretty sure I was told the President was above the law. -- nm - Mop Jul 9, 07:14
- (7-2 - Kavanaugh and Gorsuch concurred on different grounds--LOL. They knew what it woudl look like) -- nm - JackDawson Jul 9, 07:12 1
  - They can read polls like everyone else - "Do we want this to extend to President Biden?" -- nm - Reagen Jul 9, 07:52
- Called it! ;-) -- nm - Marquis de Krusty Jul 9, 07:12 15
  - Outcome uncertain--the president may attack the subpoena on breathness or relevance grounds. but there is no categorical bar to the subpoena -- nm - JackDawson Jul 9, 07:13 14
    - I don't know what this means, can you ELI5? - Marquis de Krusty Jul 9, 07:15 13
      - Trump said the Constitution prohibits States from subpoenaing a sitting president, period. SCOTUS Said: Nah, wrong. He can still attack the subpoena - JackDawson Jul 9, 07:17 1
        
        Thanks! -- nm - Marquis de Krusty Jul 9, 07:19
      - He could still go back argue that *this* subpoena is invalid for reasons, instead of arguing that *any* subpoena is invalid because the constitution. -- nm - znufrii, silly old man Jul 9, 07:17
      - It got remanded back down for consideration but the President can't claim absolute immunity because he's President. - spamlet Jul 9, 07:17 9
        
        What happens now? What is the lower court being asked to consider? Whether to allow Vance to subpoena the president? -- nm - Marquis de Krusty Jul 9, 07:18 3
        
        So Vance goes back to court and this plays out for many more months. -- nm - Marquis de Krusty Jul 9, 07:20 2
        
        My instinct, as stated below, is that this will not take that long to play out. But, the grand jury subpoena and the materials obtained are protected - JackDawson Jul 9, 07:23 1
        
        I didn't expect to see his returns but I'm happy to see Trump squirm and have to answer to the law. -- nm - Marquis de Krusty Jul 9, 07:27
        
        more - spamlet Jul 9, 07:17 4
        
        (If I'm right about the below, I expect Alito will ahve said so--but haven't gotten there) -- nm - JackDawson Jul 9, 07:20
        
        Those are all nice statements but given how the litigation has proceeded and the fact that this is a grand jury subpoena, I'm not sure what protection - JackDawson Jul 9, 07:18 2
        
        I have no idea on that. Just quoting the case :) -- nm - spamlet Jul 9, 07:20 1
        
        Yeah I mean scotusblog is posting those choice paragraphs without much analysis of them (they will post it later) -- nm - JackDawson Jul 9, 07:24
- nice. "Article II and the Supremacy Clause do not categorically preclude, or require a heightened standard for, the issuance of a state criminal subpoena to a sitting President." -- nm* - the ice Jul 9, 07:11
Oklahoma case was 5-4 - Roberts dissented. I believe that is only his SECOND dissenting vote all term. He has absolute control. -- nm - JackDawson Jul 9, 07:10 1
- That was before he fell and hit his head.. -- nm - Marlowe Jul 9, 07:10
OK I'm cancelling DAWSONBLOG the HOT EASTERN EUROPEAN CONTRACTORS are HERE. I don't care about anything else. - JackDawson Jul 9, 07:07 6
- Jagshemash! -- nm - Baron Burr Jul 9, 07:10
- some of them have done p0rn. -- nm - Diva Jul 9, 07:10 2
  - In fact I think I've seen it -- nm - JackDawson Jul 9, 07:13 1
    - ask for their "autograph". -- nm - Diva Jul 9, 07:17
- you should turn off the AC and pretend it's broken so they got all hot and sweaty -- nm - decline Jul 9, 07:09 1
  - What about my "must use shirts to cover faces and as masks" requirement? too obvious? -- nm - JackDawson Jul 9, 07:10
LIR - *gives Andie some swim googles* -- nm - Epiphany-screaming in my heart Jul 9, 07:07
I'm happy to see the Native Americans get a win for once -- nm - Marquis de Krusty Jul 9, 07:06 1
- According to SCOTUSBLOG Gorsuch has consistently sided with the tribes on the bench. -- nm - spamlet Jul 9, 07:07
Julien Edelman responds to DeSean Jackson. -- (link) - Shaun Jul 9, 07:06 2
- wow. That's fantastic. -- nm - prayformojo Jul 9, 07:17
- That's great. My respect for him is through the roof for the way he handled this. -- nm - Inigo Jul 9, 07:09
Oklahoma is still a reservation. 5-4, Gorusch writing -- nm - spamlet Jul 9, 07:02 2
- Indian Country! -- nm - Mop Jul 9, 07:06
- *yawn* -- nm - JackDawson Jul 9, 07:03
Sorry, all. I meant the politicians pushing for school re-opening don't care about anything other than unemployment rates going down. - Inigo Jul 9, 07:01 2
- that seemed clear to me from your earlier post. -- nm - Diva Jul 9, 07:11
- I understood what you meant. :) - General Whee Jul 9, 07:05
I AM READY FOR DAWSONBLOG -- nm - ty97 Jul 9, 07:00 24
- (by the way it's remarkably slower than yesterday I expect the refreshes are slowing the website close to crashing) -- nm - JackDawson Jul 9, 07:09
- How I'm faster than the Scotusblog "experts" is astounding -- nm - JackDawson Jul 9, 07:02
- Wow, Eastern Oklahoma is a reservation -- nm - JackDawson Jul 9, 07:01 21
  - Aw, dammit. -- nm - Tulsa Jul 9, 07:04 2
    - First the coronavirus rally, and now this? tough week. -- nm - znufrii, silly old man Jul 9, 07:05 1
      - Would that make Trump the first president to deliver a major speech from an Indian reservation? -- nm - Baron Burr Jul 9, 07:08
  - 5-4 (Gorsuch with liberals) -- nm - decline Jul 9, 07:03
  - 5-4 but who was the deciding vote? -- nm - Marquis de Krusty Jul 9, 07:03 9
    - Hmm...Gorsuch with the liberals on this one. Interesting -- nm - Marquis de Krusty Jul 9, 07:04
    - Gorsuch as expected -- nm - JackDawson Jul 9, 07:04 1
      - I don't know anything about the case or what Tom mentioned below -- nm - Marquis de Krusty Jul 9, 07:05
    - Gorsuch. He recused himself last time leading to the presumed deadlock -- nm - ty97 Jul 9, 07:04 5
      - Wasn't he not on the Court yet? (Anyway semantics, it was a 4-4 split obviously before him) -- nm - JackDawson Jul 9, 07:04
      - The case they heard last time went through the circuit court that Gorsuch was a member of before he was appointed to SCOTUS -- (edited) - ty97 Jul 9, 07:04 3
        
        sounds like you know better -- nm - JackDawson Jul 9, 07:05 2
        
        This is what I read, so I'm as good (or wrong) as the source that said that (I don't recall the source) -- nm* - ty97 Jul 9, 07:07 1
        
        it does make sense -- nm - JackDawson Jul 9, 07:08
  - So something Congress will (probably?) 'fix'? -- nm - ty97 Jul 9, 07:03 6
    - That's the idea--also an ASTOUNDING reversal of fortunes for first nations' at the SCOTUS. This is their first major victory since maybe the trail of - JackDawson Jul 9, 07:03 5
      - Based on this ruling, a whole bunch of Eastern Oklahoma prisoners gong to get their convictions overturned I assume? - ty97 Jul 9, 07:06 3
        
        Just the ones that are Native Americans -- nm - JackDawson Jul 9, 07:07 2
        
        Are we sure? What happens when non Native Americans commit crimes on reservation land? Can the state prosecute or does it go to the Feds? -- nm - ty97 Jul 9, 07:15 1
        
        Feds. Oh I see what you mean--the state prosecutions there. I don't want to speak out of turn as I dont recall that day in Fed Courts class when the - JackDawson Jul 9, 07:36
      - That ended well for them so we will end up taking their casinos, right? -- nm - Will Hunting Jul 9, 07:05
Word. -- nm - Daniel Prime Jul 9, 06:50 2
- Ordw. -- nm - Baron Burr Jul 9, 07:01 1
  - Rdwo. -- nm - Daniel Prime Jul 9, 07:03

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