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LIR: Strongbad. That's an excellent question. How do you enforce health codes across the US? -- nm

Posted by oblique (aka kkuphal) Aug 7 '20, 13:22

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ideally it would be nice to get to where a lot of asian countries are at - you wear a mask when you're sick as a courtesy. - colin Aug 7, 13:56 7
- In Asian countries, you wear a mask when you're healthy. That's the difference. -- nm - loosilu Aug 7, 17:48
- Ideally, yes, I completely agree. -- nm - Strongbad Aug 7, 14:35
- What is this courtesy you speak of? - oblique Aug 7, 13:58 4
  - *checks list of American Ideals*.. being polite to other people ain't here. -- nm - colin Aug 7, 14:12
  - Japan is just on its 3rd generation from a feudal society with summary executions for even trivial rule breaking -- nm - zeitgeist Aug 7, 14:00 2
    - suuure.. but places like Singpaore and Taiwan also observe some basic care for fellow humans. -- nm - colin Aug 7, 14:13 1
      - Also, Europe. -- nm - loosilu Aug 7, 17:48
I think a simple difference is that Trump has used the power and bully pulpit of the president to push governors to not enforce restrictions. If he - pmb Aug 7, 13:53 7
- One of the biggest problem has been the shitshow that his first 3.5 years has been and the mistrust/apathy that he has caused across the board. -- nm - Strongbad Aug 7, 14:36 6
  - Don’t give Trump all the credit for that. The GOP has been working on sowing mistrust and apathy for more than just the past 3.5 years. -- nm* - znufrii, drinking heavily Aug 7, 15:27 3
    - Not mutually exclusive. - Strongbad Aug 7, 15:37 2
      - Not mutually exclusive, but Trump being president is as much, if not more, a symptom as Trump himself is a cause. -- nm* - znufrii, drinking heavily Aug 7, 16:14
      - I'm with Znu. That's been republican branding for the last 40 years. What Trump did was leverage all that damage and put it to his personal use. So - pmb Aug 7, 15:40
  - He fundamentally doesn't understand the power of the government or truly basic leadership in general. - Will Hunting Aug 7, 14:52 1
    - I agree. -- nm - Strongbad Aug 7, 15:16
I do get the practical concern. If there's any kind of penalty, there would have to be opportunity to dispute it in court. No way courts could handle. -- nm - Dano Aug 7, 13:39 6
- Issue tickets. Warnings first, then tickets. But that's still a state and local enforcement issue. -- nm - pmb Aug 7, 13:54
- traditionally health dept has the power to shut shit down, a power the wh is using to summarily deport refugees without a hearing right now -- nm - zeitgeist Aug 7, 13:53 4
  - If there was a jail sentence for repeated offenses of not wearing a mask, would they release those prisoners due to Coronavirus concerns? -- nm - Dano Aug 7, 13:55
  - They have done so here in Chicago in a few instances, with fines first for non-compliance. The tools are available. It's the will to use them that's - pmb Aug 7, 13:55 2
    - My other concern would be who would be likely to take the brunt of the enforcement and penalties. -- nm - Dano Aug 7, 13:57 1
      - “When banks fail, it is seldom bankers that starve.” -- nm - znufrii, drinking heavily Aug 7, 14:08
Not really. The question is a false choice that implies President Biden's term would have begun on March 1 2020 (LIR) -- nm - con_carne Aug 7, 13:38 12
- Disagree. If you're going to criticize the current response to the level that I expect him and his supporters to do, it's reasonable to ask - Strongbad Aug 7, 14:34 2
  - Sure. It's really a softball question. The science, even as fuzzy as it was in January, was clear. Those that responded accordingly had the best - pmb Aug 7, 15:12
  - Do you really need Joe Biden to tell you three years of anti-science attitude is bad and wouldn't have happened under his administration? -- nm - con_carne Aug 7, 14:49
- Also assumes that an executive order at that point in time would be the only possible alternative course of action to doing nothing. -- nm* - znufrii, drinking heavily Aug 7, 13:47 8
  - Not at all. If his answer to Question was No, then that's his opportunity to tell us what he would have done. -- nm - Strongbad Aug 7, 14:32 6
    - It seemed like you were the one who said you assumed his answer would be yes, and did so in order to set up a Morton’s Fork between impotence and tyranny -- (edited) - znufrii, drinking heavily Aug 7, 14:50 5
      - Yes, I did. - Strongbad Aug 7, 15:17 3
        
        And just because I’m curious, where do you think he would land? Impotence or tyranny? -- nm - znufrii, drinking heavily Aug 7, 15:25 1
        
        I don't know. -- nm - Strongbad Aug 7, 15:38
        
        If he’s smart, he turns the answer into a laundry list of all of Trump’s failures to act instead of just talking about requiring masks. -- nm* - znufrii, drinking heavily Aug 7, 15:24
      - That having been said -- (edited) - znufrii, drinking heavily Aug 7, 14:53
  - Yup. You're asking for some Biden solutions to drop inbetween a series of fatal Trump mistakes. -- nm - con_carne Aug 7, 14:10
counties with increasing c19 rates get restrictions/shut down. point out that because there's no mask compliance is the reason. -- nm - zeitgeist Aug 7, 13:37 1
- "counties with increasing c19 rates get restrictions/shut down" By who? -- nm - Strongbad Aug 7, 14:37
Ambiguous federal agents policing the streets. -- nm - znufrii, drinking heavily Aug 7, 13:33
Preferential federal treatment from the stockpile for states complying with cdc recommendations. -- nm - Will Hunting Aug 7, 13:32 2
- Use the same concept used when states get frisky on lightening DUI/speed limits - Will Hunting Aug 7, 14:49 1
  - The problem with using funding as a threat is that more Americans die as a result. -- nm - znufrii, drinking heavily Aug 7, 15:30
Turn off water and power -- nm - the ice Aug 7, 13:32
Diplomacy to get all states on board with consistent guidelines? Instructions all the way down to enforce and set the example? - Andie Aug 7, 13:31
Removing citizenship. -- nm - David Aug 7, 13:30
Send in the troops!! -- nm - Volnelk Aug 7, 13:27

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