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And honestly, watching a group of white men pick over, examine and criticize a group of well-regarded women - many of them POC -

Posted by Diva (aka Diva) Aug 11 '20, 07:45

*WHEN THE OTHER SIDE'S CHOICE IS PENCE* comes across as incredibly demeaning, sexist, insulting and not very forward leaning.

At least that's what it looks like from over here. I don't think anyone purposefully set out to be any of those negative things, but perception is important. If we're going to move ahead in this country as we reckon with our hideous history on race and women these are the sorts of things we should pause to examine.

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Seriously. - ReluctantCynic Aug 11, 09:26
I completely understand this take. It’d be great if we kept finding reasons to vote *for* something, instead of *against* or *rather than.* -- nm - Qale Aug 11, 08:54
Yeah. -- nm - Judge Bane Aug 11, 08:39
Another example how one side only needs one reason to vote for their own side, the other needs only one reason to vote against theirs. -- nm - znufrii, drinking heavily Aug 11, 08:23 1
- Again, we're just seeing behind the scenes jockeying brought to the forefront. No one's up or down decision is hinging on this. -- nm - Reagen Aug 11, 08:29
I respect your view, and obviously I'm a white man, but I think we are only voicing concerns we would also voice about a man. -- (edited) - ty97 Aug 11, 07:54 5
- I agree with some of this, but your own criteria had you (and others on ST) eliminating Biden as a candidate. -- (edited) - Inigo Aug 11, 08:29 1
  - I'm not eliminating any of the VP candidates, only discussing what could be political downsides to their choice. - ty97 Aug 11, 08:58
- There will always be something to object to. There will be things that people don't love about someone. -- (edited) - Diva Aug 11, 08:07 1
  - At most, we're agonizing over how a few news cycles are gonna go. No US election has ever hinged on the identity of the VP. -- nm - con_carne Aug 11, 08:54
- Also a white dude - but I agree. VP options are vetted to high heaven and back. Hell, more so than the actual presidential candidate. -- nm - Daniel Prime Aug 11, 08:00
that's well said and a really good point -- nm - prayformojo Aug 11, 07:50
VEEPstakes is inherently demeaning and degrading. edit to add: which definitely has the magnifying glass on the process this time -- (edited) - Reagen Aug 11, 07:47 5
- your FACE is inherently demeaning and degrading. - Diva Aug 11, 07:51 4
  - without a doubt, the proverbial "warm bucket of piss" is better than Pence - Reagen Aug 11, 07:56 3
    - agreed. and we can start being the change we want to see in the world by not picking people apart by the one thing some folks find objectionable. - Diva Aug 11, 08:14 2
      - Who’s said they’re picking Bass or Kamala or Demings apart by the one thing objectionable (which you seem to be implying as either black or woman) - Will Hunting Aug 11, 08:29 1
        
        If that side doesn't get their ammo, they will just make shit up. You know that. It's useless to try and anticipate what conservatives will say/do. -- nm - con_carne Aug 11, 09:15

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