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In response to "Even if it had not practical effect on deterring crime, hate crime legislation is a useful expression of our country's values. -- nm" by znufrii

I'm pretty sure "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" are more values than "Sorry about the slavery thing"

Posted by Will Hunting (aka JoeMetz) Jun 17 '09, 11:24

let's punish the crimes up front like they matter before adding new ones.

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- A "hate crime" is defined by the thought of the perpatrator. That makes it thought crime. Punish the murder, not the hate. - TWuG Jun 17, 11:31 2
  - then 1st degree anything is also a thought crime. or anything that involves "with intent to" for that matter. -- nm - mafic Jun 17, 11:41 1
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I find hate crime laws to be much more an expression of the former than the latter. - znufrii Jun 17, 11:27 11
- I find it ironic you're saying it's about applying equality when classes are singled out for protection under these laws. - Will Hunting Jun 17, 11:30 8
  - I have no facts to back this up, but the "hate crime" concept seems like it would be discriminatory to white people. - con_carne Jun 17, 11:37 5
    - I would like to think that if heterosexual white males were the target of hate crimes to the extent which other parts of the population are... - znufrii Jun 17, 11:43
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      - See, who gets to say what's racially motivated and what isn't? - con_carne Jun 17, 11:44 2
        
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  - it's only a hate crime if you beat up a gay man *because he was gay*. - znufrii Jun 17, 11:33
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- Once you start assigning different treatment to different 'worldviews' and different races, equality goes right out the window. -- nm - Dr.Vermin Jun 17, 11:29 1
  - what about for the handicapped? No more ramps! Stairs for everyone! - Beryllium Jun 17, 11:30

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I'm pretty sure "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" are more values than "Sorry about the slavery thing"

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