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"Christians aren't people who believe they are without sin; they're people who know they're sinners..."

Posted by Dr.Vermin (aka Dr.Vermin) Jun 17 '09, 12:42

"...and are awestruck by God's grace in sending his only Son to take the punishment they deserve. "

I don't know how correct this is. I'm not technically a Christian. But I read this the other day and thought it sounded right... and seemed to be a perspective that many are missing.

Responses:

the problem being that far too many see this as a carte blanche to continue said sinning - Guy Jun 17, 12:52 2
- well atleast absolution is not anymore only a matter of money - Danedukenuuk Jun 17, 12:54
- "Aw, I'll just make it up at Confession. A few Hail Marys should get me forgiven." -- nm - TWuG Jun 17, 12:53
That's fine, but the judging of others is where I have a problem. (Which I don't know that Ensign has ever done) -- nm - con_carne Jun 17, 12:50 6
- calling Bill Clinton's affair "an embarrassing moment for the country" sounds pretty judgy, if not entirely inaccurate. -- (link) - znufrii Jun 17, 12:54 3
  - We spen two years talking about bills blow job and Monica's dress. That's embarassing for a country. - ty97 Jun 17, 13:01 1
    - well yes, but Ensign's particularly judgy criticism was of Clinton's conduct, not the overall controversy surrounding it. -- nm - znufrii Jun 17, 13:03
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- did'nt Jesus tell us NOT to judge others? - Danedukenuuk Jun 17, 12:52 1
  - nuke 'em all, let God sort it out. -- nm - znufrii Jun 17, 13:00
that's probably the ideal, but you can't tell me you've never met someone who doesn't think they're more moral because they're Christian. -- nm - Reagen Jun 17, 12:49 6
- First of all, I don't think that has anything to do with the quote. - Dr.Vermin Jun 17, 12:58 1
  - i think it's pritty hard to give caracteristics on such broad terms as chistians as such - Danedukenuuk Jun 17, 13:03
- Therein lies the problem with religion. If you deeply believe that your morality exists because of your religion, it's only logical that you'd - musubi Jun 17, 12:55 1
  - a big part of my moral exists becourse OF religion even if i am an atheist - Danedukenuuk Jun 17, 12:58
- i've never meet a chistian who did not belive that in some form -- nm - Danedukenuuk Jun 17, 12:51
- I think DDK is right, it's accurate in theory, but probably truly pretty rare in reality. -- nm - Subversive Jun 17, 12:51
While mildly uncomfortable with the last few words of that quote, I generally agree. -- nm - TFox Jun 17, 12:44
theologically speaking it's correct in the most christian devotions - Danedukenuuk Jun 17, 12:44
I think this is pretty accurate. -- nm - Subversive Jun 17, 12:43
This is my view, and I'd say the view of most of us. -- nm - nubby Jun 17, 12:43 9
- Certainly mine. Really, I'd think most intelligent people understand that, but maybe I'm wrong. -- nm - mara Jun 17, 12:45 8
  - you're talking religion it has nothing to do with intelligence -- nm - Danedukenuuk Jun 17, 12:46 1
    - adorable. i could pinch you. -- nm - TFox Jun 17, 12:46
  - The problem is when people make a big stink about how important it is not to do X, and it turns out they've secretly been jamming X the entire time :) -- nm - Beryllium Jun 17, 12:45 5
    - Well, if X would stop wearing that short skirt at the office all the time... - Dr.Vermin Jun 17, 12:50 4
      - The problem is if you judge me for something you are secretly doing you are a waste of skin and my time -- nm - con_carne Jun 17, 12:53
      - I have respect for someone who joins AA, but falls off the wagon every now and then. As long as they get back on the wagon. -- nm - Beryllium Jun 17, 12:52 2
        
        In this case, it would be more like AA's name were actual Non-Drinkers Anonymous. -- nm - mara Jun 17, 12:58 1
        
        or Non-Drinkers Namedropped. :) -- nm - Beryllium Jun 17, 13:02

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