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In response to "Guess I'm a defeatist piece of shit. Good thing I'm a defeatist or that might really bother me." by Inigo

"it's not going to change anyone's mind, so what's the point?" is defeatist though.

Posted by Roger More (aka RogerMore) Sep 29 '20, 06:12

And I get the view that "it's not going to change anyone's mind", but the follow-on thought doesn't have to be "so what's the point?"

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I totally get the point of the NYTimes story. It's a big deal that Trump didn't pay taxes and has this much debt. - Inigo Sep 29, 06:27 9
- He (Scalzi) says there is an "element" that say "what's the point?" I don't think you are part of that, since you say "I totally get the point." - JaxSean, Anti-Pumpkin Sep 29, 06:43
- It kind of does, in fact. If you think something is important but say "what's the point" that's definitionally defeatist. -- nm* - Reagen Sep 29, 06:30 7
  - There’s different points. What’s the point in pursuing this, is different than what’s the point in this being known in the first place. - znufrii needs to cancel his gym membership Sep 29, 06:43 4
    - If you legitimately don't care about something, well, maybe we disagree on that. But if you say "it's important but why bother" - Reagen Sep 29, 06:49 3
      - Make the case to what degree? In my mind, the NYTimes story, coverage and current reaction is enough. The case has been made. -- (edited) - Inigo Sep 29, 07:01 2
        
        I'm not suggesting it needs to be an all consuming focus. As I've said previously, if you pick a lane and say that's what you find important - Reagen Sep 29, 07:08
        
        Agreed. We should be coming together, not driving wedges. -- nm - JaxSean, Anti-Pumpkin Sep 29, 07:04
  - Alright, one last try. Good point, Marlowe. :) -- nm* - Inigo Sep 29, 06:32 1
    - Don't throw the towell like that! It sounds, err, defeatist! (NM) - Marlowe Sep 29, 06:45
I agree with your IM. I don't think it's going to change *most* people's minds, but I also "hope we know better." -- nm - JaxSean, Anti-Pumpkin Sep 29, 06:16

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"it's not going to change anyone's mind, so what's the point?" is defeatist though.

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