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LIR: Reagen, re: B6/B7

Posted by Candidate Vermin (aka Dr.Vermin) Nov 3 '08, 15:55

I have a hard time saying that yes, I think McCain will win, but I am slightly optimistic.

Ah, fuck it. I'll go ahead and lay it out solid in case he does.

Yes, John McCain is the next president of the United States. Bookmark this shit for Wednesday.

As for "so... racism".

I wish you'd phrase it differently. Yes, a racial element is at play, but the example Ann and I are talking about are white voters who are so terrified of being called a racist that they're compelled to lie to pollsters. It's because of people like YOU and Obama himself who have been playing the race card on his behalf this whole campaign, subtlely implying that if you don't like Obama, it's probably because you're a racist.

So yes, it's racism indirectly that causes the (alleged) dishonesty to pollsters. But it's a fear of the label of racism, not racism itself manifested in the dishonest poll-ees. Do we agree on that?

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I also like how you drop in "Obama himself...playing the race card...this whole campaign", as though it's fact. (nm) - musubi Nov 3, 16:10 2
- Yes, he played it when he pre-emptively accused McCain and the GOP months ago. - Candidate Vermin Nov 3, 16:20 1
  - Silly me, I though he was talking about the voter supression efforts. - musubi Nov 3, 16:23
paying no attention to whatever this thread is really about, I'd intentionally lie to pollsters because I hate election polling. -- nm - Max Nov 3, 16:06
I'll be glad to bet you a $20 Amazon gift certificate on tomorrow's presidential results. -- nm - David Nov 3, 16:06
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but this is just it - I haven't been. - Reagen Nov 3, 16:01 9
- I agree...when you are polled there is no "why"... just "who" -- nm - Stewie Nov 3, 16:02 8
  - well there sort of is a why with followups on important issues, but that essay Coulter had the McCain voter writing wouldn't happen. - Reagen Nov 3, 16:07 7
    - Right. They don't have the opportunity to explain, so they just say "Obama". - Candidate Vermin Nov 3, 16:23 6
      - That's tin foil hat territory. -- nm - Todd Manning Nov 3, 16:28
      - but why wouldn't they just say "McCain"? - Reagen Nov 3, 16:26 4
        
        Re: your IM. This is one of the areas where I can legitimately claim you'd have to be a citizen to understand. - Candidate Vermin Nov 3, 16:29 2
        
        Lots of your fellow citizens seem just as gobsmacked as I am. - Reagen Nov 3, 16:32 1
        
        They're the ones on the other side of the pressure. - Candidate Vermin Nov 3, 16:40
        
        They fear a strange black man carving a backwards "B" into their face. Duh. (nm) - musubi Nov 3, 16:29
If you're voting for McCain, for non-racist reasons, why would you lie about voting for McCain? - musubi Nov 3, 16:01 8
- The why may be unanswerable. The question is, is there a so called Bradley effect? Does it really exist? - Loyola Nov 3, 16:10 3
  - If there is no "why", then there's no basis to believe Vermin/Coulter's hypothesis. (nm) - musubi Nov 3, 16:14 1
    - I'm sure there is a why, but who knows what goes on in people's heads that causes them to lie to pollsters. - Loyola Nov 3, 16:18
  - wait for it -- nm - DaneDukeNuuk Nov 3, 16:11
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  - It's a presidential poll. Unless the question is "Why aren't voting for Obama, you f***ing racist?" I don't see how that even applies. (nm) - musubi Nov 3, 16:06
  - We're talking about responding to official polls -- nm - Stewie Nov 3, 16:04
- and not pick undecided. -- nm - Stewie Nov 3, 16:03
if McCain wins it's be the greatest comeback in a long time - DaneDukeNuuk Nov 3, 15:57
What kind of chances do you see for McCain? Are you thinking he has a 90% chance of winning, or like a 55% chance, or what? -- nm - mara Nov 3, 15:57 5
- 31.25%, duh. -- nm - Candidate Vermin Nov 3, 16:23 1
  - Put it this way. How surprised would you be if Obama won? -- nm - mara Nov 3, 16:48
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  - It's like saying there's 70% chance of rain tomorrow. -- nm - psilotum Nov 3, 16:03 1
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