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In response to "Politically, the most valuable real estate this cycle might turn out to be frikkin Omaha. Lawdy, lawdy, lawdy we need election reform -- nm" by crash davis

I really want to do away with the Electoral College. Granted I don't really understand the EC, but I know it's messed up recent elections. -- nm

Posted by sycor Nov 4 '20, 07:57

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It can't be abolished without a Constitutional amendment, but there are possible workarounds. There are also enough swing states that election reform - mara Nov 4, 08:05
It was designed, along with the 3/5 compromise, to provide assurance to slave holding states that they would maintain - TWuG Nov 4, 08:05
Nothing is "messed up". It works as intended. Popular vote elections would be dramatically different in the US (urban areas only, rural areas fucked) - oblique Nov 4, 08:04 26
- This urban vs rural thing makes no sense to me. Votes should count the same no matter where people live. -- nm - mara Nov 4, 08:09 16
  - If the electoral college is ideal, why do we use the popular vote to elect governors? Shouldn't people in rural counties have more say than Chicago? -- nm - mara Nov 4, 08:11
  - US Elections are not directly made by people. States elect presidents. People decide how their state votes. -- nm* - oblique Nov 4, 08:10 14
    - But it has given voters in some states inordinate power. At the senate level as well. These things were put in place to prevent a tyranny of the - pmb Nov 4, 08:15 1
      - I don't disagree. I just also think that we probably need to tread lightly here as a country -- nm - oblique Nov 4, 08:17
    - I know how it works. I was addressing your "dramatically different" statement, as it seemed to imply the difference is undesirable. -- nm - mara Nov 4, 08:13 11
      - The election would be dominated by some very large urban centers (LA, Chicago, NY) where large swaths of the US would essentially be ignored - oblique Nov 4, 08:16 10
        
        CA was completely ignored this election and the last 3. No one campaigned here or bought ads.They only come here for our money in private fundraising - jnine Nov 4, 09:05
        
        That may have been the case 100 years ago, but it just doesn't hold anymore. Every vote counts. And candidates can access all of them. There aren't - pmb Nov 4, 08:19
        
        Nobody is being ignored if everybody's vote is treated exactly the same, the same way we elect governors. -- nm* - mara Nov 4, 08:16 7
        
        It doesn't matter what the practicality is. If those urban centers are predominantly democratic, it will *feel* to the rest of the US that their - oblique Nov 4, 08:18 6
        
        Well urban areas, with the majority of the population are being ignored now. I'm feeling pretty damn ignored in CA and I'm tired of it. Time for - jnine Nov 4, 09:07
        
        Instead of right now how it *feels* like the urban vote is undervalued? (because it is) -- nm* - Andie Nov 4, 08:31 1
        
        Just ftr - Canada has some issues with this as well. -- nm - Andie Nov 4, 08:34
        
        Nobody's saying it will fix the partisan nature of the US; we're saying we prefer every vote to count the same. -- nm - mara Nov 4, 08:22 2
        
        If it means we get a nationwide election system, I'm all for it - oblique Nov 4, 08:27 1
        
        Whether or not it causes Dems to lose is irrelevent to me, I just want every vote to count. -- nm - mara Nov 4, 08:29
- Without the EC every election but one since Reagan would have had a different winner. The EC is anti-democratic and fails to align - TWuG Nov 4, 08:08 8
  - How you figuring that? - Reagen Nov 4, 08:19 1
    - See my response to crash. I'm brain fried. -- nm - TWuG Nov 4, 08:23
  - Whatchu talking about Willis? -- nm - crash davis Nov 4, 08:11 1
    - Sorry. I'm tired and bungled the stat. What my post says is incorrect, but I'm too tired to fix it -- nm - TWuG Nov 4, 08:17
  - It wasn't intended to align with the popular vote and I understand the frustration of those that want it to. It is one of many compromises in our - oblique Nov 4, 08:10 3
    - Most compromises in the Constitution were made to accommodate slavers. Sad that we're still using them; horrifying that people keep defending them. -- nm - mara Nov 4, 08:15 1
      - this -- nm - decline Nov 4, 08:16
    - Re Your IM. It most certainly isn't. -- nm* - Andie Nov 4, 08:13

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