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In response to "I really want to do away with the Electoral College. Granted I don't really understand the EC, but I know it's messed up recent elections. -- nm" by sycor

Nothing is "messed up". It works as intended. Popular vote elections would be dramatically different in the US (urban areas only, rural areas fucked)

Posted by oblique (aka kkuphal) Nov 4 '20, 08:04

You may not like the outcome of the EC process but these are the rules we play under. Elections would be very different under different rules and there's no telling what that would look like

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This urban vs rural thing makes no sense to me. Votes should count the same no matter where people live. -- nm - mara Nov 4, 08:09 16
- If the electoral college is ideal, why do we use the popular vote to elect governors? Shouldn't people in rural counties have more say than Chicago? -- nm - mara Nov 4, 08:11
- US Elections are not directly made by people. States elect presidents. People decide how their state votes. -- nm* - oblique Nov 4, 08:10 14
  - But it has given voters in some states inordinate power. At the senate level as well. These things were put in place to prevent a tyranny of the - pmb Nov 4, 08:15 1
    - I don't disagree. I just also think that we probably need to tread lightly here as a country -- nm - oblique Nov 4, 08:17
  - I know how it works. I was addressing your "dramatically different" statement, as it seemed to imply the difference is undesirable. -- nm - mara Nov 4, 08:13 11
    - The election would be dominated by some very large urban centers (LA, Chicago, NY) where large swaths of the US would essentially be ignored - oblique Nov 4, 08:16 10
      - CA was completely ignored this election and the last 3. No one campaigned here or bought ads.They only come here for our money in private fundraising - jnine Nov 4, 09:05
      - That may have been the case 100 years ago, but it just doesn't hold anymore. Every vote counts. And candidates can access all of them. There aren't - pmb Nov 4, 08:19
      - Nobody is being ignored if everybody's vote is treated exactly the same, the same way we elect governors. -- nm* - mara Nov 4, 08:16 7
        
        It doesn't matter what the practicality is. If those urban centers are predominantly democratic, it will *feel* to the rest of the US that their - oblique Nov 4, 08:18 6
        
        Well urban areas, with the majority of the population are being ignored now. I'm feeling pretty damn ignored in CA and I'm tired of it. Time for - jnine Nov 4, 09:07
        
        Instead of right now how it *feels* like the urban vote is undervalued? (because it is) -- nm* - Andie Nov 4, 08:31 1
        
        Just ftr - Canada has some issues with this as well. -- nm - Andie Nov 4, 08:34
        
        Nobody's saying it will fix the partisan nature of the US; we're saying we prefer every vote to count the same. -- nm - mara Nov 4, 08:22 2
        
        If it means we get a nationwide election system, I'm all for it - oblique Nov 4, 08:27 1
        
        Whether or not it causes Dems to lose is irrelevent to me, I just want every vote to count. -- nm - mara Nov 4, 08:29
Without the EC every election but one since Reagan would have had a different winner. The EC is anti-democratic and fails to align - TWuG Nov 4, 08:08 8
- How you figuring that? - Reagen Nov 4, 08:19 1
  - See my response to crash. I'm brain fried. -- nm - TWuG Nov 4, 08:23
- Whatchu talking about Willis? -- nm - crash davis Nov 4, 08:11 1
  - Sorry. I'm tired and bungled the stat. What my post says is incorrect, but I'm too tired to fix it -- nm - TWuG Nov 4, 08:17
- It wasn't intended to align with the popular vote and I understand the frustration of those that want it to. It is one of many compromises in our - oblique Nov 4, 08:10 3
  - Most compromises in the Constitution were made to accommodate slavers. Sad that we're still using them; horrifying that people keep defending them. -- nm - mara Nov 4, 08:15 1
    - this -- nm - decline Nov 4, 08:16
  - Re Your IM. It most certainly isn't. -- nm* - Andie Nov 4, 08:13

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Nothing is "messed up". It works as intended. Popular vote elections would be dramatically different in the US (urban areas only, rural areas fucked)

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