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In response to "Nothing is "messed up". It works as intended. Popular vote elections would be dramatically different in the US (urban areas only, rural areas fucked)" by oblique

This urban vs rural thing makes no sense to me. Votes should count the same no matter where people live. -- nm

Posted by mara (aka mara) Nov 4 '20, 08:09

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If the electoral college is ideal, why do we use the popular vote to elect governors? Shouldn't people in rural counties have more say than Chicago? -- nm - mara Nov 4, 08:11
US Elections are not directly made by people. States elect presidents. People decide how their state votes. -- nm* - oblique Nov 4, 08:10 14
- But it has given voters in some states inordinate power. At the senate level as well. These things were put in place to prevent a tyranny of the - pmb Nov 4, 08:15 1
  - I don't disagree. I just also think that we probably need to tread lightly here as a country -- nm - oblique Nov 4, 08:17
- I know how it works. I was addressing your "dramatically different" statement, as it seemed to imply the difference is undesirable. -- nm - mara Nov 4, 08:13 11
  - The election would be dominated by some very large urban centers (LA, Chicago, NY) where large swaths of the US would essentially be ignored - oblique Nov 4, 08:16 10
    - CA was completely ignored this election and the last 3. No one campaigned here or bought ads.They only come here for our money in private fundraising - jnine Nov 4, 09:05
    - That may have been the case 100 years ago, but it just doesn't hold anymore. Every vote counts. And candidates can access all of them. There aren't - pmb Nov 4, 08:19
    - Nobody is being ignored if everybody's vote is treated exactly the same, the same way we elect governors. -- nm* - mara Nov 4, 08:16 7
      - It doesn't matter what the practicality is. If those urban centers are predominantly democratic, it will *feel* to the rest of the US that their - oblique Nov 4, 08:18 6
        
        Well urban areas, with the majority of the population are being ignored now. I'm feeling pretty damn ignored in CA and I'm tired of it. Time for - jnine Nov 4, 09:07
        
        Instead of right now how it *feels* like the urban vote is undervalued? (because it is) -- nm* - Andie Nov 4, 08:31 1
        
        Just ftr - Canada has some issues with this as well. -- nm - Andie Nov 4, 08:34
        
        Nobody's saying it will fix the partisan nature of the US; we're saying we prefer every vote to count the same. -- nm - mara Nov 4, 08:22 2
        
        If it means we get a nationwide election system, I'm all for it - oblique Nov 4, 08:27 1
        
        Whether or not it causes Dems to lose is irrelevent to me, I just want every vote to count. -- nm - mara Nov 4, 08:29

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