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In response to "Okay, ST. Ask Me Anything. -- nm" by David

Can you finally admit in your heart of hearts that Edgardo Alfonzo was a better player than Jose Vidro? (Nm)

Posted by musubi (aka musubi) Nov 6 '20, 07:19

And that derek Lowe was never gonna win a cy Young?

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I have little to no memory of either of those players...but no. - David Nov 6, 07:20 13
- Looking at their stats, Vidro had a career OPS of .804 but looks like a subpar defender. The other guy's a worse hitter but better defender. - David Nov 6, 07:24 9
  - Fonzie has a .782 OPS. They were basically the same hitter at their peaks but Fonzie was a far superior defender always. - musubi Nov 6, 07:28 8
    - "far superior" = 0.4 dWAR vs. -0.5 dWAR annually. - David Nov 6, 07:31 7
      - 1 war annually is nothing to sneeze at for players with 12 year careers - musubi Nov 6, 07:37
      - As an outsider to this I'd like to say that defensive metrics are not very good and are at times a poor indicator of how good or bad someone is - Krusty Nov 6, 07:36 5
        
        I love baseball stats but not for defense. I think they're flawed -- nm - Krusty Nov 6, 07:36 4
        
        I generally agree, but defensive starts are getting better and better. That said the eye test always confirmed Fonzie as the much better defender. - musubi Nov 6, 07:39
        
        You're right, of course. By FanGraphs scoring, the best SS in the NL didn't even make the final three for a Gold Glove. - David Nov 6, 07:37 2
        
        This year? What scoring? -- nm - musubi Nov 6, 07:41 1
        
        Their composite grade. They've got Trevor Story way ahead of anybody else. -- nm - David Nov 6, 07:45
- It was the same time period as the Pasdro Astachio brew-ha-ha. Good times. -- nm - musubi Nov 6, 07:23 2
  - I just looked. Astacio's career ERA+ was 97, so he was the slightly below average player I thought he was. -- nm - David Nov 6, 07:26 1
    - Of course, because I never argues he was much more than that. - musubi Nov 6, 07:31

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