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In response to "Good. Progressive messages didn’t win this cycle. The only Dem who really won was Biden and that was closer than it should have been. -- nm" by Will Hunting

Yes and no. Progressive ISSUES very much did win the cycle.

Posted by ty97 Nov 20 '20, 08:51

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However, Dem candidates struggled against the (dumb) Defund The Police slogan and things like that.

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i like that it's dumb because it requires a sentence to explain. - colin 🤏 Nov 20, 08:54 28
- i'll also say that complaining that people who got tear gassed by police are saying police shouldn't have tear gas was bad for politics is missing the - colin 🤏 Nov 20, 08:58 18
  - The majority of Americans, myself included, support police reform! - ty97 Nov 20, 08:59 17
    - "police reform" is meaningless. it lets you say you're for it, but doesn't get specific in any way. - colin 🤏 Nov 20, 09:01 16
      - Whereas Defund the Police is specific and not what you really mean. It’s not Defund the Police* - Will Hunting Nov 20, 09:03 4
        
        Back-up the police is the best I have came up with in conversation. -- nm - 🦃Spawn🦃 Nov 20, 09:04 3
        
        that kind of requires you to come from a place of "cops are basically all good, but overworked" - colin 🤏 Nov 20, 09:09
        
        "decrease the police" -- nm - Andie Nov 20, 09:06 1
        
        Still comes across (to some people) as making people less safe. -- nm - 🦃Spawn🦃 Nov 20, 09:10
      - "defund" costs us the majority in the Senate and a good part of the 73M votes Trump got. -- nm - 🦃Spawn🦃 Nov 20, 09:02 10
        
        Whenever we say that, we should add that Biden got 79.7 million. - David Nov 20, 09:17 1
        
        Yup. People keep talking like Biden was a disappointment. He jacked turnout to the best level in 100 years! -- (edited) - Reagen Nov 20, 09:20
        
        i don't think a single democrat ran on "defund the police" as their slogan. are you suggesting dems should have silenced activists for the sake of - colin 🤏 Nov 20, 09:06 7
        
        The GOP ran *against* defund. -- nm - 🦃Spawn🦃 Nov 20, 09:13
        
        Because they realized it was terrible. They won 1 senate seat instead 3 or 4. Most races went GOP by 5-8% vs polling. - Will Hunting Nov 20, 09:11 4
        
        i think you just believe in a better US than i do. i think people watched police brutality and voted in favor of it. simple as that. - colin 🤏 Nov 20, 09:13 3
        
        Police brutality, when it's demonstrated to people, is one thing that gets near universal panning. But it doesn't get viewed in a vacuum. - Reagen Nov 20, 09:19
        
        I disagree with that. I think they voted against reduced policing. Again, the policy or improved training and supplemental staffing is popular. - pmb Nov 20, 09:17 1
        
        my concern is that instead of taking that message that is very new and continuing to work on it, they're going to fight it instead. yes, it could be - colin 🤏 Nov 20, 09:18
        
        Hard to get anything done if you don’t win. -- nm - znufrii Nov 20, 09:08
- A dumb slogan is far worse than 100 paragraphs of the greatest logic ever written. -- nm - Will Hunting Nov 20, 08:57 1
  - I mean, an incompetent clown won the presidency with MAGA and LOCK HER UP -- nm - ty97 Nov 20, 08:58
- It's dumb because people misunderstand it and it hurt multiple Dems in house races this year when we should have picked up seats. -- (edited) - ty97 Nov 20, 08:57 6
  - see my other message. i'll back that message because the people actually getting hurt by police do. black lives matter was a dumb slogan 5 years ago - colin 🤏 Nov 20, 09:00 5
    - To be clear though, the concept of defunding the police is actually not popular among the African-American community as a whole. And even in the city - pmb Nov 20, 09:13 4
      - absolutely. it is not. but it also was not a Dem slogan. to blame on the ground protesters for Dem losses is pointless and offensive. - colin 🤏 Nov 20, 09:16 3
        
        The problem is that the slogan gets attributed to all dems regardless of whether they run on it. And it's a bad look to have to run against a vocal - pmb Nov 20, 09:20 2
        
        Dems have shown unwillingness to work with on the ground activists to even try to do this. Spanburger didn't reach out once to the local - colin 🤏 Nov 20, 09:21 1
        
        They do need to do this, but the activists need to be more sensitive to the messaging and less demanding about defending it. They are hurting their - pmb Nov 20, 09:26

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