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you gotta understand the people on the ground that pushed Defund the Police - they're anarchists, socialists, progressives. they have as little in

Posted by colin 🤏 (aka colinski) Nov 20 '20, 09:25

common with the Democrats as they do with the Republicans in a lot of cases. they pushed people to not vote because you're participating in a system that is completely broken and reinforces the current way of being.

trying to tell them that their vision for a better America hurts the current worthless political system will do no good. they don't care about THIS system.

i support them, they're amazing people, i've watched them run themselves ragged and still keep going. they're friends. we need their extremism to push direct action and put pressure on norms, but thinking that they would somehow downplay rhetoric to help a Democrat win is ridiculous to even say.

and blaming them for hurting an election is more of a compliment than an insult :)

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This always gets to the problem of "do you want to be right, or do you want things to change". I get it. Most of them are young and angry and don't - pmb Nov 20, 09:37 1
- i don't think sitting down young activists and "telling them how it is" is good for anyone. deep down they know what the score is. but they are - colin 🤏 Nov 20, 09:43
You can be passionate and amazing and brave and also wrong. - Reagen Nov 20, 09:32 11
- they're not wrong, they're just unrealistic. - colin 🤏 Nov 20, 09:37 10
  - Funny, I see the opposite. I think this generation (which I see through my kids) is somewhat nihilistic. They think nothing will change so they - pmb Nov 20, 09:40 9
    - we protested here hard.. state went into special session. state's response was to give all cops a bonus. that's it. hard to not be angry at dems. - colin 🤏 Nov 20, 09:44 6
      - Change happens over time, not all at once. Ever. The work continues. I get the disappointment, but change can still happen. Just "fixing it" will - pmb Nov 20, 09:49 5
        
        Case in point: civil rights movement still is a work in progress. (NM) - Marlowe Nov 20, 10:08
        
        Change takes a long time to happen at all once, is they way I like to think of it. -- nm - znufrii Nov 20, 10:06
        
        i certainly get that, but i'm not going to tell activists to tone down their language for the sake of elected officials having an easier time. -- nm - colin 🤏 Nov 20, 09:51 2
        
        I get that, but there comes wisdom with age that can be appreciated, even if it doesn't start with the leaders. Maybe you bring signs with a clearer - pmb Nov 20, 10:00 1
        
        they'll eventually transition into more action-based work.. this is just where they are now. the older activists are heavily involved in weed - colin 🤏 Nov 20, 10:08
    - Yes. More people need to adopt the Andy Dufresne method. Write a letter a week (metaphorically speaking) until there's some attempt at appeasement ... - Beryllium Nov 20, 09:44 1
      - More people who are giving up, not the people who are already doing stuff, I mean. -- nm - Beryllium Nov 20, 09:50
That’s fine, if you don’t care about enabling the people in power who would be more likely to be sympathetic to addressing the problems at hand - znufrii Nov 20, 09:31 11
- as i said to spawn, the neoliberals running for office have the same chance of enacting changes to the police as republicans. -- nm - colin 🤏 Nov 20, 09:35 10
  - Come on, you can do better than your parroting of “neoliberal” as an epithet against the insufficiently progressive left. - znufrii Nov 20, 09:41 9
    - the problem is... the funding of the police. not the messaging. the fact that dems are complaining about it shows they're not willing to be part of - colin 🤏 Nov 20, 09:46 8
      - The problem isn’t funding though, it’s the institution of policing. You’ve just decided that’s the only acceptable way to address it. -- (edited) - znufrii Nov 20, 09:54 7
        
        some systems are too broken to fix. replacement is much better. -- nm - colin 🤏 Nov 20, 09:55 6
        
        Baby, bath water. -- (edited) - znufrii Nov 20, 09:57 5
        
        the A in ACAB stands for "all", if you forgot. -- nm - colin 🤏 Nov 20, 09:57 4
        
        Another pithy but ultimately counterproductive slogan. -- nm* - znufrii Nov 20, 09:58 3
        
        you just cost yourself that bottle of bourbon. - colin 🤏 Nov 20, 10:01 2
        
        Heh - znufrii Nov 20, 10:03 1
        
        man, here's hoping. being in the US sucks out loud right now. -- nm - colin 🤏 Nov 20, 10:09
"and blaming them for hurting an election is more of a compliment than an insult :)" - 🦃Spawn🦃 Nov 20, 09:30 5
- let's say neoliberal wave instead of blue wave. - colin 🤏 Nov 20, 09:34 4
  - Bear in mind that I'm not in the position of blaming then for the results (I think that's reductive and in a close election, 1000 things matter) - Reagen Nov 20, 09:37 3
    - Biden pledged to put more funding towards police. that's about as clear of a message as you can give to that issue. - colin 🤏 Nov 20, 09:40 2
      - "Kamala's a COP!" *eyeroll* Can't take you seriously -- nm - ty97 Nov 20, 09:41 1
        
        fine, former cop. -- nm - colin 🤏 Nov 20, 09:50
i'll drop it at this. - colin 🤏 Nov 20, 09:27

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