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In response to "Former WY Sen Mike Enzi has died in a bicycle accident -- (link)" by Reagen

The Lesson as always: bicycling sucks. RIP. -- nm

Posted by Beaker (aka Anniebecca) Jul 27 '21, 06:11

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Drivers suck so much as do politicians and anyone that fights against protected bike lanes. I don't know why he was injured but way too often it's - Krusty Jul 27, 06:13 50
- Yeah. The vast majority of car-bike accidents are the car’s fault. It’s like 90%. You see more shitty cyclists because they’re not part of your flow, - mafic Jul 27, 06:36 4
  - Exactly. People tend to have a dashboard view of the issues outside on the roads and don't see what's really the cause of the problems. -- nm - Krusty Jul 27, 06:39 3
    - to me it equates as the same thing as a walker using a crosswalk and not looking either way. You may have the right-of-way but you still dead - Beaker Jul 27, 06:41 2
      - I do but we need drivers to recognize how dangerous their vehicles are and to be more cautious. People drive way too fast and take way too many - Krusty Jul 27, 06:44 1
        
        oh for sure. I don't mind bikers, but ones who disregard the rules of the road make me curse every time :) You're on a fucking bike! not in a tank!! -- nm - Beaker Jul 27, 06:45
- I agree with you most of the time. The bicyclists that tick me off are the ones that flagrantly violate rules of the road like stop signs. -- nm - Strongbad Jul 27, 06:27 18
  - Cyclist should definitely follow all the rules of the road. I stop at lights that I wouldn't stop at when I'm a pedestrian. - Krusty Jul 27, 06:33 12
    - I can beat most people through the intersection unless you live your life a quarter mile at a time. :) -- nm - Reagen Jul 27, 06:41 1
      - I like to give myself a bit of a head start in some intersections. Roads can be tight here and I want to make sure they see me. - Krusty Jul 27, 06:49
    - Agreed. -- nm - Strongbad Jul 27, 06:34 9
      - Cyclists are trying to make Idaho stops legal but I'm pretty sure they're going to have a hard time convincing the politicians on it. - Krusty Jul 27, 06:38 8
        
        People think it's someone "getting away with things" - no, we're getting out of your hair faster. Drivers should love it! -- nm - Reagen Jul 27, 06:45
        
        and then they will wonder why bicyclists death go up. -- nm - Beaker Jul 27, 06:39 6 1
        
        A study showed that it actually decreased injuries and accidents. "A 2009 study showed a 14.5% decrease in bicyclist injuries after the passage of the - Krusty Jul 27, 06:43 5
        
        so a biker could come up to a red light, stop, and just turn into the green traffic? or did I misread that -- nm - Beaker Jul 27, 06:44 4
        
        Link to the wiki... -- (link) - Krusty Jul 27, 06:45
        
        Correct. They can go if things are clear for them to go. Not just turn into busy traffic. -- nm - Krusty Jul 27, 06:45 2
        
        gotcha. I immediately assumed the worst from a biker :) -- nm - Beaker Jul 27, 06:45 1
        
        Heh. :-) -- nm - Krusty Jul 27, 06:47
  - yup. YOU drivers follow the rules or else. meanwhile fuck it away we go! -- nm - Beaker Jul 27, 06:29 4
    - Shitty insane drivers abound. You're just used to them. Cyclists are 'novel' so you notice what they do more. -- nm - Reagen Jul 27, 06:32 3
      - as posted below, goes against my safety first mantra. assume everything on the road is trying to kill you, don't pretend you being "right" will save u -- nm - Beaker Jul 27, 06:34 1
        
        that's a different thing that I'm saying. Yes, some cyclist break or bend the rules (in some places they're allowed to do rolling stops, FWIW) - Reagen Jul 27, 06:37
      - Agreed. -- nm - Strongbad Jul 27, 06:34
- in my experience, it's the cyclists who suck. sure, ride in the middle of the street rather than in the bike lane. that's fine. I'll wait. - amanda jeans Jul 27, 06:25 14
  - this happens around here all the time -- nm - decline Jul 27, 06:33
  - If there's a bike lane, I will use it, but too often there is none, or it's a pointless strip of paint. -- nm - Reagen Jul 27, 06:31 2
    - we're really bike friendly here, which makes it more infuriating that cyclists choose to be assholes. -- nm - amanda jeans Jul 27, 06:39
    - And I'll take the whole lane in that case. I want to be seen and not just some blurry image on the side of the road. -- nm - Krusty Jul 27, 06:33
  - Cyclists take the whole lane sometimes, especially on smaller roads because that's actually safer for them. They're more likely to be seen by - Krusty Jul 27, 06:29 6
    - oh sure. take all of south allen street for yourself. that's fine. nobody needs to get anywhere. -- nm - amanda jeans Jul 27, 06:37 5
      - In CA, cyclists have the right to take the lane as though they were a vehicle. I don't usually do it when I ride because the people in cars don't care - jnine Jul 27, 06:41
      - or take both lanes of brush valley road for your troupe of pallies riding abreast. that's fine. there's no other way to spring township - amanda jeans Jul 27, 06:41
      - Give cyclists a protected bike lane and they won't have to use the whole road. But without good infrastructure then the road needs to be shared and - Krusty Jul 27, 06:40 2
        
        we have bike lanes on most streets. -- (link) - amanda jeans Jul 27, 06:42 [Backboard] 1
        
        Protected bike lanes or painted stripes on the ground? Paint doesn't protect you from cars and trucks. -- nm - Krusty Jul 27, 06:46
  - this. first thing my father told me when I started driving: if in a car don't argue with a truck. motorcycle don't argue with a car, bikes don't argue - Beaker Jul 27, 06:28 2
    - you can argue you had the right-of-way at the Pearly Gates, but you still dead -- nm - Beaker Jul 27, 06:30 1
      - and I agree, there are way more shitty drivers than bikers; but whether you are in the right or not, always asssume the other person will kill you and - Beaker Jul 27, 06:33
- around here, bicyclists seem to think they are invulnerable to cars and trucks. -- nm - Beaker Jul 27, 06:15 10
  - I can't speak for your particular area but overall drivers don't give cyclists any respect on the road. They drive way too close, don't give the right - Krusty Jul 27, 06:20
  - are you not supposed to give 1m of space there like here? -- nm - Reagen Jul 27, 06:17 8
    - My understanding is the 3' rule is a state by state decision. -- nm - Strongbad Jul 27, 06:28 2
      - Three feet or "safe distance." I doubt if any agency considers less than three feet safe. -- (link) - mara Jul 27, 06:33 1
        
        Great link! 👍 -- nm - Strongbad Jul 27, 06:35
    - If there's room. If there's not, bikes get the whole lane. A passing car would have to use a different lane, just like passing a car. -- nm - mara Jul 27, 06:24 1
      - This! -- nm - Krusty Jul 27, 06:35
    - oh for sure; but that still doesn't excuse lunatics on bikes with no common sense. -- nm - Beaker Jul 27, 06:19 2
      - Lunatics in cars out number and are far more dangerous than lunatics on bikes. Cars are two ton machines that go as fast as they want. - Krusty Jul 27, 06:22 1
        
        oh I don't doubt that. but since the new rules here bikers seem to think they are immune to damage or something -- nm - Beaker Jul 27, 06:28

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