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In response to "as posted below, goes against my safety first mantra. assume everything on the road is trying to kill you, don't pretend you being "right" will save u -- nm" by Beaker

that's a different thing that I'm saying. Yes, some cyclist break or bend the rules (in some places they're allowed to do rolling stops, FWIW)

but motorists *frequently* break the rules and it's just a thing drivers do, and not a call to "get rid of cars!"

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