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So some people on Twitter are saying all movie and TV guns should be CGI. Makes sense to me. -- nm

Posted by marum scarum (aka mara) Oct 22 '21, 07:58

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Making CGI guns is really demanding, you need to track hands and to an insane amount of rotoscoping since hands go behind objects all the time -- (edited) - Guigue Oct 22, 08:43
This particular incident is an outlier, probably, but the broader issue of set safety is a big deal right now in light of union contract negotiations, I’m guessing. -- (edited) - znufrii Oct 22, 08:35
Or have them as plastic cosplay high probs that can be cgi'ed upgraded -- nm - Remlik Oct 22, 08:04
Have "guns" that look like they're firing a bullet. Same motion and reverb, but without the actual bullet inside. -- nm - Inigo Oct 22, 08:02 26
- No ability to fire a bullet. No chamber in which to place a bullet or a blank. No cartridge at all. - marum scarum Oct 22, 08:08 22
  - I'm actually amazed they couldn't make a prop gun that actually simulates a recoil. Think of all the toys that give motion responses. - pmb Oct 22, 08:22 18
    - Sure but there could be a mechanism inside the gun that at least gives some simulation. For instance in the body when you pull the trigger, - pmb Oct 22, 08:31 13
      - Ok, but what are you using to create that force? - Reagen Oct 22, 08:36 11
        
        Right. Everything stays internal. But you can still get something to move internally that would feel like recoil. It can be triggered - pmb Oct 22, 08:50 10
        
        But you're not getting it. Without something leaving the gun, you don't get recoil. Equal and opposite. -- nm - Reagen Oct 22, 08:55 8
        
        (any kind of device like you're describing you would have the same forward motion as backwards) - Reagen Oct 22, 08:58
        
        You could have an internal piston to duplicate it. (Might not work for semi or full auto, of course) -- nm* - Spawn Oct 22, 08:58 6
        
        See above. Without ejected mass it doesn't work. -- nm - Reagen Oct 22, 08:59 5
        
        Yes, there would be some gradual forward pull that would have to be held in check by the holder but when the piston struck it would still create kick. -- nm - Spawn Oct 22, 09:18 4
        
        Equal. Opposite. - Reagen Oct 22, 09:22 3
        
        Would require a small amount of training but if you are bringing the gun in an upward motion when (think "draw") when firing it could be hidden. -- nm - Spawn Oct 22, 09:28 2
        
        Good luck with your perpetual motion machine. -- nm - Reagen Oct 22, 09:30 1
        
        *sets up a Go Fund Me* -- nm - Spawn Oct 22, 09:39
        
        heh. Was about to post "A reverse internal hammer". -- nm - Spawn Oct 22, 08:51
      - This goes under Reagan's post. -- nm - pmb Oct 22, 08:31
    - F=ma. -- nm - Reagen Oct 22, 08:24 3
      - I was told there would be no math -- nm - oblique Oct 22, 08:27 2
        
        But we didn't promise no physics, and we're taking advantage of the loophole. -- nm - Full Size Candy Baron Oct 22, 08:29 1
        
        *marks for later* -- nm - Beaker Oct 22, 08:30
  - I can get behind no live firing of guns. Part of the process before clapperboard and "Action!" should be triggering guns at ground... - Spawn Oct 22, 08:22
  - We're in agreement. You just said it better than I did. -- nm - Inigo Oct 22, 08:12
  - i agree -- nm - prayformojo Oct 22, 08:11
- But that is what they already do. -- nm - Spawn Oct 22, 08:04 2
  - They have blanks. I'm talking about no bullets at all. CGI the bullets. -- nm* - Inigo Oct 22, 08:05 1
    - But you said same motion and reverb? -- nm - Spawn Oct 22, 08:05
Helluva burden for cheaper productions. While tragic, the rarity of these events doesn't speak to the need for it. -- nm - Name Withheld By Request Oct 22, 08:00 13
- Further, I wouldn't be surprised if Alec Baldwin just takes a stand and says he'll never use a cartridge-holding weapon in a movie again. Other may follow. -- nm* - marum scarum Oct 22, 08:25 2
  - i bet you never see Alec Baldwin hold a gun, period, in a movie again. -- nm - Andie Oct 22, 08:31 1
    - Yeah. I can't even imagine what he must be feeling right now. -- nm - marum scarum Oct 22, 08:32
- CGI isn't that expensive anymore/ -- nm - Andie Oct 22, 08:23
- they already cgi fires. This isn't that much more. -- nm - Remlik Oct 22, 08:15
- I will agree. If John Wick movies can be safely made, no reason others cannot be. -- nm - Spawn Oct 22, 08:14 5
  - That's part of why I think it needs to change. Think of how many times the John Wick crew had to go over and over and over all the weapons. - Inigo Oct 22, 08:35 4
    - No Live Ammunition. That should not be *that* hard. -- nm - Spawn Oct 22, 09:25
    - I'm not saying things can't change but think about the flip side of this - there are thousands of productions where these checks have to happen and - Reagen Oct 22, 08:40 2
      - But isn't that what safety regulations do? They make the people who might otherwise be negligent, safe instead. - Inigo Oct 22, 08:47 1
        
        I don't quite agree - regulations help build expectations and get everyone in line. There's no perfect regulation that you can create but that brings - Reagen Oct 22, 09:07
- A few deaths now and then are acceptable collateral damage, eh? Maybe. Maybe a lawsuit will change a few production companies' minds. -- nm - marum scarum Oct 22, 08:02 1
  - Well yeah. If we can't talk about these things at the macro level, then that goes down quite the path of risk eliminations in day to day life. -- nm - Name Withheld By Request Oct 22, 08:06
Might as well say all guns in real life, too... But do you mean the shots fired should be CGI? -- nm* - Spawn Oct 22, 07:59 2
- I mean that the item being held by the actor would be a noise-making gun-shaped thing. Everything else, CGI. -- nm - marum scarum Oct 22, 08:01 1
  - pretty sure Marvel uses fake guns and CGIs the shots and bullets. Think a pic of Fury with a fake green gun or something was about? -- nm - Beaker Oct 22, 08:08

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