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In response to "If you have a traditional you really can't back door without tax leakage. I had to roll mine into my 401(k) to be able to do it. -- nm" by spamlet

Exactly. That's why I avoided having traditional but I want to do something with this (small) pension account, and traditional IRA seems the answer

Which would mean I'd be done with back door roth anyway, so I guess I'll live.

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