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LIR: Andie - One of the biggest problems for the US in no national election authority like Elections Canada, to even start with. -- nm

Posted by VMan Nov 4 '08, 12:40

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but, there's no reason they can't do that. centralize it. make is simple. -- nm - Andie Nov 4, 12:42 35
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  - you hire local people to do all those things - same as now. they just report to a national organization. it's not THAT different, just making it - Andie Nov 4, 12:45 6
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      - To what end? I see a central system only adding to the hassle rather than simplifying it. I don't see the problem that needs fixing -- nm - oblique - I voted! Nov 4, 12:51
      - you don't need a national ID to do that though - there isn't one in Canada. -- nm - Reagen Nov 4, 12:48 1
        
        This would be another big hurdle for them. The database sharing. You can register with EC through your tax return. Likely would be a tough sell. -- nm - VMan Nov 4, 12:51
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        that's fine, but guess what? they still fight. -- nm - loosilu - I voted! Nov 4, 12:49
- The States would kick up a fuss something fierce. No different that if the federal gov't said, "Hey provinces...We're taking over education." -- nm - Name Withheld By Request Nov 4, 12:43 3
  - I've never seen the advantage of having different rules for voting in different states. -- nm - Reagen Nov 4, 12:44 2
    - And Canada cold really use a centralized and logically planned post-secondary education plan, but.... - Name Withheld By Request Nov 4, 12:51
    - And what rule changes are we talking about? Machine vs. colored ovals? This isn't rocket science - oblique - I voted! Nov 4, 12:48
- States would likely fight tooth and nail. -- nm - VMan Nov 4, 12:43 11
  - yeah, that kind of thing doesn't go down well. -- nm - loosilu - I voted! Nov 4, 12:43 10
    - but, explain *why*? what's the difference? -- nm - Andie Nov 4, 12:44 9
      - See NWBR's post. -- nm - VMan Nov 4, 12:46 7
        
        honestly, i don't think our federal government taking over education would cause *nearly* the panic the idea of - Andie Nov 4, 12:47 6
        
        maybe someone else can answer better. All I can say is it seems like states are - loosilu - I voted! Nov 4, 12:49 5
        
        and, for certain things, i would assume that makes sense. it's a NATIONAL election. it should be NATIONALLY run. -- nm - Andie Nov 4, 12:50 4
        
        it's a combined election. you wouldn't have different sets of people for each item. -- nm - loosilu - I voted! Nov 4, 12:52
        
        One item on the ballot is national. The rest aren't. -- nm - mara Nov 4, 12:51 2
        
        And just like the IRS collects federal taxes and the state collect local taxes, states still have say in down ballot items. - musubi Voted For Change 2 weeks ago Nov 4, 12:54
        
        and even that is kind of not national, becuase we are voting for electors. -- nm - loosilu - I voted! Nov 4, 12:52
      - hard to explain I guess? States historically resist giving up control to the feds. -- nm - loosilu - I voted! Nov 4, 12:45
- No logical reason, no. However, it sounds like the general consensus is that the individual states will not allow that to happen. -- nm - Beryllium Nov 4, 12:42 10
  - Which is crazy. Military? OK. Taxation? No problem, federalize it. Elections! WHOA, no way. (nm) - musubi Voted For Change 2 weeks ago Nov 4, 12:45 5
    - actually, you know what? The National Guard is run by each state, and some states are VERY opposed to the fed taking over. -- nm - loosilu - I voted! Nov 4, 12:46 4
      - ,,,plus, states collect their own taxes. -- nm - loosilu - I voted! Nov 4, 12:46 3
        
        Noone said that state can't run parallel elections, but centralizing and simplifying the system for federal elections isn't a threat to states' rights - musubi Voted For Change 2 weeks ago Nov 4, 12:51
        
        so do provinces. doesn't really factor. -- nm - Andie Nov 4, 12:48 1
        
        right, but I'm saying it's not a good example. -- nm - loosilu - I voted! Nov 4, 12:50
  - you'd think the states would *want* to dump it. less coming out of their tax responsibilities. -- nm - Andie Nov 4, 12:43 1
    - don't forget, we have a long history of states refusing to give control to the federal gov't. we even fought a war over it. -- nm - loosilu - I voted! Nov 4, 12:44
  - Given how the electoral college works, voting is essential at the state level -- nm - oblique - I voted! Nov 4, 12:43 1
    - you can still count the votes per state, whatever. no reason you can't. -- nm - Andie Nov 4, 12:44

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