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Guys, you are NOT going to believe this about Manchin.

Posted by Volnelk Dec 19 '21, 06:38

Turns out he is not going to vote for BBB.

I mean, seriously? A democrat? What next?

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I'm about 80% utterly, gob smacked frustrated with him. The other 20% is "I dunno." - ReluctantSanta Dec 19, 09:20 13
- Apparently I saw different stats on constituent support of BBB. Much different. -- nm - Beryllium Dec 19, 10:21 4
  - I’m guessing it’s a matter of polling phrasing, where people are for the policy substance of the bill, but against the bill itself because Fox News. -- nm - znufrii, boosted Dec 19, 10:23 2
    - I was relying on DailyKos' reporting on the polling numbers. -- (edited) - ReluctantSanta Dec 19, 10:30
    - That would certainly explain the 77% number -- nm - Beryllium Dec 19, 10:29
  - (I don't know how reliable this source is) -- (link) - Beryllium Dec 19, 10:22
- “A representative owes his constituents not only his industry, but his judgement, and he betrays them, instead of serving them, if he sacrifices that to their opinion.” -- nm* - Edmund Burke, paraphrased Dec 19, 10:10 3
  - Precisely. And I don't have enough information to judge Sen. Manchin's intent. - ReluctantSanta Dec 19, 10:17
  - yeah! -- nm - mud Dec 19, 10:12 1
    - 'Breach of His Commitments' -- (link) - mud Dec 19, 10:17
- He’s good until 2024, and he’s most certainly not running again. - Tim Dec 19, 09:26 3
  - Wasn't he elected in 2010? Like right at the height of Obamacare debates? -- nm - ReluctantSanta Dec 19, 09:39 2
    - Special election to finish Byrd’s term. Ran again in 2012, barely re-elected in 2018. -- nm - Tim Dec 19, 09:41 1
      - Ah! Thank you. Forgot about the special election. -- nm - ReluctantSanta Dec 19, 10:10
Welp. We’ve had a nice run as a country. -- nm - znufrii, boosted Dec 19, 07:39
In a political system (even two-party) that worked, this would be a non issue. - Dano Dec 19, 07:33
IOW, the progressives we're right that decoupling Infrastructure and BBB would doom BBB. -- nm - TWuG Dec 19, 07:28 2
- It'll pass in the new year. It'll just be modified. -- nm - Inigo Dec 19, 08:26 1
  - Bill of Theseus. -- nm - Baron Please Come Home Dec 19, 08:51
ugh and on fox news -- (link) - budice Dec 19, 06:44
Why not vote on segments that will pass? - budice Dec 19, 06:43 5
- So you can keep it around as an election issue! Yes, I'm that cynical. -- nm - Baron Please Come Home Dec 19, 07:27
- Because then you will lose Bernie et al -- nm - spamlet Dec 19, 07:10 2
  - That. And rules considerations. Breaking up BBB in the Senate would effectively delay a floor vote for a month to six weeks. - ReluctantSanta Dec 19, 09:22 1
    - Iirc, they can pass ONE budget reconciliation bill a year and they want to stuff it full as possible. Piecemeal means 60 votes -- nm - zeitgeist Dec 19, 11:53
- “I also think he could find a way to yes on a version of it,” said one associate. “I don’t see it as dead dead.” -- (link) - budice Dec 19, 07:05

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