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In response to "Yeah, I think I'm keeping at least 10. -- nm" by The Allfather

So you wouldn’t think Kelce is worth a 3rd and an 11th?

Posted by Will Hunting (aka JoeMetz) Jan 3 '22, 12:44

I get there’s a cost to give up a pick and then keep but at some point if you’re keeping 8-10 players, that keeper pick is a 4th RB/WR 2nd TE/QB

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What I'm saying is that any team that keeps only Kelce and one other player and gives up their first pick also is screwing themselves. - The Allfather Jan 3, 13:30
Kelce is worth a lot, but if David wants to keep 10, he would have to throw eight of the people he wants to keep back into the draft pool. - crash davis Jan 3, 12:51 29
- Crash's IM is correct. -- nm - The Allfather Jan 3, 13:31 7
  - That’s genuinely dumb. It’s dumb enough if that’s the way it is, I think I’m out. Needlessly complex. Even in the pros, you trade from your annual - Will Hunting Jan 3, 14:16 6
    - You're not thinking this through. If I trade you my first round pick, it's the equivalent of round 13 or 14. -- nm - The Allfather Jan 3, 14:21 5
      - Also, if Crash and you both offer me their 2nd pick, in your example, if you keep 9 and he keeps 6…I lose 3 rounds of picks taking your offer. - Will Hunting Jan 3, 14:34
      - No. I get the 3-11 pick for Kelce. You spend your 11-11 to keep him and 9 others. - Will Hunting Jan 3, 14:23 3
        
        But I don't have a 3-11 pick. My first pick wouldn't be until 11-11 if I keep 10 players. - The Allfather Jan 3, 14:34 2
        
        And I set the draft thread … I put each keeper up with a round:pick #. I even made a joke about Crash keeping the worst Seahawk as his #1 pick just -- (edited) - Will Hunting Jan 3, 14:45
        
        Keepers get set *after* trades are done. Each of those picks were legitimate picks. They were just retained picks. - Will Hunting Jan 3, 14:38
- No. It means I get your third round pick. You just lose the 1st,2nd,4th,5th …. On down. You have 15 picks to spend however. - Will Hunting Jan 3, 12:56 20
  - Hunting's post is super-duper-mega-wrong. -- nm - The Allfather Jan 3, 13:31 1
    - so a normal Hunting post, then -- nm - groiny Jan 3, 13:49
  - If this is possible, I'll give you the fifth overall pick for Kelce right now. But I don't think it is possible. -- nm - crash davis Jan 3, 13:04 5
    - Oh, we execute the trade right now before we announce our keepers? Lets do it! -- nm - crash davis Jan 3, 13:10 4
      - I think we need clarification because there’s a large gap in potentials here. -- nm - Will Hunting Jan 3, 13:12 3
        
        That we do, but if it is possible to trade draft picks before the keeper round, I'm offering up my #1 -- nm - crash davis Jan 3, 13:13 2
        
        Crash, what you should be doing right now... - The Allfather Jan 3, 13:39 1
        
        yep, I think Michael Thomas is my best offer -- nm - crash davis Jan 3, 14:04
  - We'll need David to weigh in on this, now or later. - Strongbad Jan 3, 13:02 3
    - If you trade a third round pick, you're saying you will only keep two players. - The Allfather Jan 3, 13:37 1
      - This makes sense. Thanks. -- nm - Strongbad Jan 3, 13:47
    - Keepers are your highest picks. Otherwise, trades have no foundation. “I’ll take your first pick”. You keep 10 guys. I get an 11? - Will Hunting Jan 3, 13:08
  - This approach makes more sense to me, but to my understanding, as of the last time i brought it up, it hasn’t actually been determined how it will work going forward -- nm* - znufrii, exceeded expectations Jan 3, 13:01 7
    - It was determined because some people made trades and needed clarification. - The Allfather Jan 3, 13:33 6
      - I'm with Will that it makes more sense the other way as he explains more specifically elsewhere in this thread. - znufrii Jan 3, 14:28 5
        
        Trades have already been made for 2022. So, I don't follow your logic...and I definitely don't follow Hunting's. - The Allfather Jan 3, 14:38 4
        
        I think that approach overcomplicates things, tbh. - znufrii Jan 3, 14:44 3
        
        Everyone doesn't start with a pick in each round. - The Allfather Jan 3, 14:50 2
        
        I understand just fine how you have constructed it. - znufrii Jan 3, 14:56
        
        No. You spent the first 12 rounds on keepers. They don’t magically appear depending on your keepers. Every pick is a choice. Keep or draft. Keep - Will Hunting Jan 3, 14:52

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