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In response to "I'll offer you the third round pick that Hunting doesn't understand Crash won't have. -- nm" by The Allfather

Actually, I’m out. I’ve given multiple reasons it’s wrong and your argument is those aren’t real picks.

Posted by Will Hunting (aka JoeMetz) Jan 3 '22, 17:34

Responses:

Why don't you use actual names and numbers to explain how this would work. - The Allfather Jan 3, 17:41 39
- Crash has *15* picks (same as each of us every year). He can disperse them however he wants. See DC trading 5 years worth of picks for RG3. - Will Hunting Jan 3, 18:06 8
  - But. He. Doesn't. Have. 3-8. He kept five guys. - The Allfather Jan 3, 18:12 5
    - No, he has 3-8 at the time of the trade. He gives that up. He then gives up his first 5 picks for keepers. - Will Hunting Jan 3, 18:15 2
      - Something did change, though. He traded a pick he wouldn't have on draft day. So, he could only keep two players. - The Allfather Jan 3, 18:19 1
        
        You're right, because he traded that pick for a player and another pick before hand. - Will Hunting Jan 3, 18:21
    - This kills draft pick trading, FWIW -- (edited) - Reagen Jan 3, 18:14 1
      - It'll force more player for player trading rather than pre-draft pick-based trades. - The Allfather Jan 3, 18:17
  - I will say the flaw is that there's no difference to crash trading a 1st or 7th in this system. -- nm - Reagen Jan 3, 18:08 1
    - For him there isn't. But the two parties know exactly what they're trading at least. - Will Hunting Jan 3, 18:13
- His draft would slide down. He'd start in R7. - Reagen Jan 3, 17:51 22
  - But that's Crash trading a pick he doesn't own. It's like me trading a Ferrari. I can't do that because I don't have one. -- nm - The Allfather Jan 3, 17:57 21
    - He owns them all. He owns all 15 picks until the Keepers are locked and he uses the X first # of picks on his keepers. - Will Hunting Jan 3, 18:07 20
      - At which point, he would have traded the third round pick, forcing him to only keep two players, one of whom damn sure better be Travis Kelce. - The Allfather Jan 3, 18:08 4
        
        No. I clearly say he's keeping Russell, DK, with 1-8, 2-8, I have his 3-8, he's using his 4-8 to keep his 3rd keeper, 5-8, 6-8, 7-8 is the Kelce spot - Will Hunting Jan 3, 18:19
        
        which is why we're saying "first x picks", not "picks in the first x rounds". -- nm* - znufrii Jan 3, 18:13
        
        which short circuits any trade for picks above, say, the 6th round. -- nm - Reagen Jan 3, 18:11 1
        
        For teams with lots of keepers, yeah. We've already had trades. - The Allfather Jan 3, 18:13
      - so if he trades his first rounder he gets to keep no one? -- nm - Beaker Jan 3, 18:08 14
        
        If he trades his 1st round pick --- any keepers start at his 2nd rounder. So if you're stuck with a shitty team (me), there's no chance you're - Will Hunting Jan 3, 18:18 11
        
        So then you make player for player trades. The new rules force creativity all the way around, starting with last year's draft. - The Allfather Jan 3, 18:23 10
        
        No, I'm trying to trade an asset for another asset knowing that each side knows *EXACTLY* what they're getting / giving up - Will Hunting Jan 3, 18:25 9
        
        Which would be great if CRASH HAD 3-8. - The Allfather Jan 3, 18:27 8
        
        Why do you keep thinking this trade is happening after the Keepers happen? They get locked like 24 hours before the draft. I'm making this deal 8 -- (edited) - Will Hunting Jan 3, 18:32 7
        
        because he decided that "first x picks" for keepers actually means "picks in the first x rounds" - znufrii Jan 3, 18:41 3
        
        Sincere question: how else could it work? - The Allfather Jan 3, 18:47 2
        
        They each had 15 draft picks. At the time of the draft, one of them chose to spend their top 2 picks on 2 keepers. The other chose to spend their top 8 picks on 8 keepers. -- (edited) - Will Hunting Jan 3, 18:57
        
        *original reply deleted* - znufrii Jan 3, 18:51
        
        Yes, 3-8 does happen too. I pick my 4th player since I either picked with 1-2, 2-2, 3-2 (either fresh player or a keeper) - Will Hunting Jan 3, 18:34 2
        
        You shouldn't, just like Crash shouldn't only keep one other player to get Kelce. So, you'll have to be more creative with trades. -- nm - The Allfather Jan 3, 18:40 1
        
        Actually I don't need to. There's no reason to trade. There's no reason to be creative. - Will Hunting Jan 3, 18:47
        
        Correct. So, don't do that. -- nm - The Allfather Jan 3, 18:15
        
        Which is another huge flaw. -- nm - Reagen Jan 3, 18:09
- Will's argument (I think?) - Strongbad Jan 3, 17:48 6
  - And everyone has 15 picks until the keepers are locked and the draft starts. - Will Hunting Jan 3, 18:09 5
    - David's point (I think?) - Strongbad Jan 3, 18:16 4
      - Which makes top players untradeable, IMO - Reagen Jan 3, 18:19 3
        
        Doesn't really matter to me, as I don't ever trade anyway. -- nm - znufrii Jan 3, 18:33 1
        
        Signed: every Caveman ever :) -- nm - Beaker Jan 3, 18:38
        
        I agree, unless the team the star player is going to is a team that is total garbage. -- (edited) - Strongbad Jan 3, 18:22

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