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In response to "Actually, I’m out. I’ve given multiple reasons it’s wrong and your argument is those aren’t real picks." by Will Hunting

Why don't you use actual names and numbers to explain how this would work.

Posted by The Allfather (aka David) Jan 3 '22, 17:41

Crash undoubtedly keeps the following people:

Russell Wilson
DK Metcalf
Tyreek Hill
Pat Freiermuth

Let's say he also keeps Van Jefferson.

Crash's draft starts at 6-8. Other, worse teams will have started as early as round three, possibly even round one if they take the route that I did last year.

When you trade Kelce for him, how is he giving you a pick in the third round? Do you think he's trading you Hill for Kelce? Or do you think he's trading you the equivalent of what would have been the 41st overall pick in last year's draft?

In 2021, we had three picks in the first round, five picks in the second round, seven picks in the third round, eight picks in the fourth round, ten picks in the fifth round, and then 11 picks in the sixth round.

What do you want Crash to give you that you think isn't possible here? I genuinely do not understand what you're arguing. I almost called you earlier because I was so confused by the thread of your logic.

Responses:

Crash has *15* picks (same as each of us every year). He can disperse them however he wants. See DC trading 5 years worth of picks for RG3. - Will Hunting Jan 3, 18:06 8
- But. He. Doesn't. Have. 3-8. He kept five guys. - The Allfather Jan 3, 18:12 5
  - No, he has 3-8 at the time of the trade. He gives that up. He then gives up his first 5 picks for keepers. - Will Hunting Jan 3, 18:15 2
    - Something did change, though. He traded a pick he wouldn't have on draft day. So, he could only keep two players. - The Allfather Jan 3, 18:19 1
      - You're right, because he traded that pick for a player and another pick before hand. - Will Hunting Jan 3, 18:21
  - This kills draft pick trading, FWIW -- (edited) - Reagen Jan 3, 18:14 1
    - It'll force more player for player trading rather than pre-draft pick-based trades. - The Allfather Jan 3, 18:17
- I will say the flaw is that there's no difference to crash trading a 1st or 7th in this system. -- nm - Reagen Jan 3, 18:08 1
  - For him there isn't. But the two parties know exactly what they're trading at least. - Will Hunting Jan 3, 18:13
His draft would slide down. He'd start in R7. - Reagen Jan 3, 17:51 22
- But that's Crash trading a pick he doesn't own. It's like me trading a Ferrari. I can't do that because I don't have one. -- nm - The Allfather Jan 3, 17:57 21
  - He owns them all. He owns all 15 picks until the Keepers are locked and he uses the X first # of picks on his keepers. - Will Hunting Jan 3, 18:07 20
    - At which point, he would have traded the third round pick, forcing him to only keep two players, one of whom damn sure better be Travis Kelce. - The Allfather Jan 3, 18:08 4
      - No. I clearly say he's keeping Russell, DK, with 1-8, 2-8, I have his 3-8, he's using his 4-8 to keep his 3rd keeper, 5-8, 6-8, 7-8 is the Kelce spot - Will Hunting Jan 3, 18:19
      - which is why we're saying "first x picks", not "picks in the first x rounds". -- nm* - znufrii Jan 3, 18:13
      - which short circuits any trade for picks above, say, the 6th round. -- nm - Reagen Jan 3, 18:11 1
        
        For teams with lots of keepers, yeah. We've already had trades. - The Allfather Jan 3, 18:13
    - so if he trades his first rounder he gets to keep no one? -- nm - Beaker Jan 3, 18:08 14
      - If he trades his 1st round pick --- any keepers start at his 2nd rounder. So if you're stuck with a shitty team (me), there's no chance you're - Will Hunting Jan 3, 18:18 11
        
        So then you make player for player trades. The new rules force creativity all the way around, starting with last year's draft. - The Allfather Jan 3, 18:23 10
        
        No, I'm trying to trade an asset for another asset knowing that each side knows *EXACTLY* what they're getting / giving up - Will Hunting Jan 3, 18:25 9
        
        Which would be great if CRASH HAD 3-8. - The Allfather Jan 3, 18:27 8
        
        Why do you keep thinking this trade is happening after the Keepers happen? They get locked like 24 hours before the draft. I'm making this deal 8 -- (edited) - Will Hunting Jan 3, 18:32 7
        
        because he decided that "first x picks" for keepers actually means "picks in the first x rounds" - znufrii Jan 3, 18:41 3
        
        Sincere question: how else could it work? - The Allfather Jan 3, 18:47 2
        
        They each had 15 draft picks. At the time of the draft, one of them chose to spend their top 2 picks on 2 keepers. The other chose to spend their top 8 picks on 8 keepers. -- (edited) - Will Hunting Jan 3, 18:57
        
        *original reply deleted* - znufrii Jan 3, 18:51
        
        Yes, 3-8 does happen too. I pick my 4th player since I either picked with 1-2, 2-2, 3-2 (either fresh player or a keeper) - Will Hunting Jan 3, 18:34 2
        
        You shouldn't, just like Crash shouldn't only keep one other player to get Kelce. So, you'll have to be more creative with trades. -- nm - The Allfather Jan 3, 18:40 1
        
        Actually I don't need to. There's no reason to trade. There's no reason to be creative. - Will Hunting Jan 3, 18:47
      - Correct. So, don't do that. -- nm - The Allfather Jan 3, 18:15
      - Which is another huge flaw. -- nm - Reagen Jan 3, 18:09
Will's argument (I think?) - Strongbad Jan 3, 17:48 6
- And everyone has 15 picks until the keepers are locked and the draft starts. - Will Hunting Jan 3, 18:09 5
  - David's point (I think?) - Strongbad Jan 3, 18:16 4
    - Which makes top players untradeable, IMO - Reagen Jan 3, 18:19 3
      - Doesn't really matter to me, as I don't ever trade anyway. -- nm - znufrii Jan 3, 18:33 1
        
        Signed: every Caveman ever :) -- nm - Beaker Jan 3, 18:38
      - I agree, unless the team the star player is going to is a team that is total garbage. -- (edited) - Strongbad Jan 3, 18:22

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