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In response to
"Why don't you use actual names and numbers to explain how this would work. "
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The Allfather
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Crash has *15* picks (same as each of us every year). He can disperse them however he wants. See DC trading 5 years worth of picks for RG3.
Posted by
Will Hunting (aka kelly)
Jan 3 '22, 18:06
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All picks prior to the draft are eligible to be traded before Keepers.
I value Kelce as a top 36 player (aka, a 3rd round pick). He's better than that in redraft but he will cost a Keeper pick as well so his value drops.
Crash gives me his 3rd round pick for Kelce and my 15th round pick. We still have 15 picks and 15(16) players on roster as options.
Rosters Lock on the day before the Keepers are due. We announce our Keepers. No transactions can happen.
Crash keeps the 5 guys you mention and Kelce.
He silently drafts Russell with 1-8, DK with 2-8, I have 3-8, he silently drafts the next 4 guys with his next picks (4-8, 5-8, 6-8, 7-8) and makes the actual draft decision on available players at 8-8.
A keeper position is simply you get the option to exchange a player for a draft pick. It's still a draft pick. That's your flaw. Each player is one of those 15 options.
It's not 5th draft pick, it's the 5th pick you still own.
Now, Crash might not like Kelce for a 3rd and his 7th rounder (his 5th remaining draft pick to be used on keeper. A 3rd and 7th might be too much. So he doesn't make the deal.
You though, with 9 keepers might make the deal because your 3rd rounder gone and 8 successive keepers past that means you basically gave up your 11th round pick for Kelce. A 3rd and an 11th for Kelce and a 15th isn't too bad.
And you still get to keep every player you want without limiting trades. Because simply put, each pre-draft pick is the right to choose a player. Either from the pool or your own roster. But they are still draft picks.
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If you say Crash gives me his 3rd pick and he keeps 5 players and Kelce, so Rounds 1-6 are gone..I'm getting an 9th rounder for Kelce. That's not value for me. Worse, at the time of the trade, I don't know for sure who he's keeping. I might think he's keeping Russell and DK and fuck the rest....but him keeping a few guys drops me rounds of picks? That's wrong.
Let's say you and him both say I get your 2nd pick...you keep 9, he keeps 6 (Again -- I don't know for sure what you'll keep at the time of the deal) -- Why should I expect to lose 3 rounds of picks (either free pool or keepers -- that's 36 players gone) because you both have different keepers tiers?
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In the NFL, when they trade, they say, "DC's 2nd rounder in 2023..." Not DC's 2nd Pick. Becuase if DC decides to give up their 1st, 3rd, and 4th to another team, that team that traded for a 2nd rounder is now picking in the 5th? That's not fair.
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Each manager gets 15 picks a year -- that's 15 players. That's 15 options to either keep a player, or draft from the pool that you make at the time of keepers being locked.
Last year, I put the entire 180 pick lineup on the board. I assigned each player their keepers starting at Round 1: Pick 1. I had fun with Crash becuase I gave him the 5th best Seahawk as his 1st rounder, but it was still a pick of his 15 spoken for.
You removed it because they cluttered up the list...but they were still draft picks used to keep players. No one ended up with 16 picks. They just spoke for 0-1-6 players up front and forfeited the first 0-1-6 picks they had. Roger Goodell did not announce those names, but they were picks used to keep players.
It's why keeping a 4th player valued in the 35-40 range was iffy...because could that pick be used better... because it was still a pick.
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